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#21 LooneyAirsoft

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 06:23 PM

That would be interesting, a physical stop in other words when the last round has been fired...

Just an educated guess, if there was any possible modifications (to the current form, assuming KSC is it) that could be done by the user to allow to bolt to return to the battery, yet not dry fire when out of rounds... it would have to be bolt and not the magazine... Introducing a physical stop between the reservoir and valve is a completely different magazine design that only KWA would be capable of, IF it is even possible to begin with. I have a feeling it's going to come down to how the bolt interacts with the physical stop on the magazine. Perhaps, it's possible to cut away enough that the bolt returns further, but not all the way... or else, it would just blank fire...

Anyways, just like how there were modifications for the LM4 to release the bolt by charging the charing handle... perhaps there can be one for the AK. We can only dream until it finally comes out.

Edited by LooneyAirsoft, 12 December 2012 - 06:27 PM.


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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:17 AM

I like that idea looney, modifying whatever it hangs up the bolt so its almost realistic. I am hoping it's not hitting the follower. We've seen other companies, GHK, VFC, that have made magazines for GBBs they don't produce so some day we might get lucky with a 'realistic' gas mag.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 05:07 PM

Good idea looney. I think that will be the simplist, do it once and it's done, solution for end users. As a matter of personal preference I would prefer to mod my magazines and not my gun. They are cheaper and the functionally would extend to any gun that used my magazines. As an engineer and veteran fabricator, I think any shop with a good engineer or very good tech and a machine shop capable of fabrication, could produce the modded mags. Once I can get a hold of an AKG and mags, I will see what I can whip up.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 08:15 PM

I applaud your dedication, although designing and having bespoke magazines made for yourself seems a bit, emm, "excessive"  perhaps

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 12:17 AM

Who said I would have mags custom made for me? I do my own mods, thanks.

#26 LooneyAirsoft

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 01:57 AM

After reading my reply again, it is a little confusing.

I meant, KWA would be the only one capable of redesigning the magazine to possibly include such a feature.

The most I can see the user can do is modify the bolt, possibly, to see it retract only so far foward.

As for how the magazine is stopped by the magazine... I'm pretty sure the magazine follower is the physical stop to the bolt. It's not an unreliable design as its seen in pistols and SMGs all the time. Just it is unrealistic.

I can see how KWA ended up gravitating toward this design since, when you come to think about it.... Most pistol, SMGs, and the more popular rifles have bolts that lock back. Primarily the M4 for most obvious example.

As for most AKs, it goes forward even after the last round is expelled. It's difficult to replicate it since on the real AK, the gunpowder and bullet are in one in casing. As for an airsoft replica, they are separate. To have a hammer drop and trigger lock after no rounds left, without gas spewing, is certainly difficult to replicate on a bolt that returns forward after the last round,

Anyways, just pointing that out and clarifying my point, that users are going to have to get creative given that magazine modifications would have to be pretty extensive....

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 01:56 PM

In my opinion, I think there's no excuse for a GBB to not be 100% realistic in function (aside from shell ejection). If your going to do an outside the box design, you need to come up with outside the box solutions to get things to work right. Also WE got the stop firing function working right, so I don't know why they couldn't have looked at the way that worked and improved upon it.

That being said, I believe any modification, bolt or magazine, is going to be out of reach for most users. There are only a few of us that have the know how and equipement to do this kind of work. What I meant about the shops and custom parts was that for the modifications to reach the masses, someone like RA-tech or Guarder (IS) will have to make pre-modified drop-in parts available for sale.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 02:48 AM

Well, I'm still going to be giving the AKG a chance, whether or not KWA is different from the KSC AK74, since performance and usability is top on my list. I know KWA is pretty consistent in that field. Aside from how the bolt is stopped, the AK74 seems like it'd be another solid GBBR platform. Plenty of steel parts and reliable NS2/FV system, as usual.

I can totally feel you though, in terms of realistic aspect. I feel like KWA is close to getting it all in one package.Just unfortunate if the anti-dry firing mech isn't different from the KSC AK.The bolt stopping on the magazine follower will drive me crazy.

Looking at each product I settle on. I always look at pros and cons, The bolt stopping on the magazine folllower is a con for me as well, but I'll have to look at the final model and evaluate the pros as well before dropping money for one.

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 12:08 PM

I totally agree. I think the KSC is pretty close to all pros for me and that's why the anti-dry fire is so frustrating. Hopefully KWA is making some changes and that's why it's taking so long to be released in the states.




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