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#1 Tiger_Stripe

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 03:04 PM

For those that might not have heard, the KWA AKG-74M is soon coming out in Asia. Action! apparently has the scoop and pics of the Asia model up. No word yet about whether the Asian version is legal in the US or not. Action! posted a large batch of pics on their facebook page:

https://www.facebook...286447048138879

Their Pre-Order page (assumed):

http://goods.ruten.c...10232452071#log

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 03:22 PM

Thanks for the update.  Remember, they are not warranteed in the US!

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 09:55 AM




KWA.....why would you use such a archaic method of anti-dry fire mechanism? Explain how the AKG can compete against GHK AKM as a training rifle? The travel is shorter than of GHK aswell.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 05:18 PM

Frankly....  full travel is the least of my concerns.  KWA gun is build to play not build to hang on wall.  
Don't like it, don't buy it.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 07:15 AM

View PostShogo, on 13 November 2012 - 05:18 PM, said:

Frankly....  full travel is the least of my concerns.  KWA gun is build to play not build to hang on wall.  
Don't like it, don't buy it.

My main problem is the ancient method of stopping dry fire, GHK doesn't have full travel either.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 01:34 PM

Well at least they tried. Cool down is my major concern, and after watching that video, consistency too.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 07:41 PM

This is really disappointing. From watching the video above the WE AK-74 blows it out of the water as far as realism goes. Lets be honest, if you didn't care about realism, you would get an AEG. I feel like if WE was able to get the anti-dry fire mechanism right, KWA/KSC should be able to. Hopefully this will get fixed by the time the US version comes out.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 12:47 PM

I must say, i am horrible disappionted with the news about the KWA AKG, it seems to be a design that would have been amazing when it was first being toyed with in 2009-2010 area, howver the competition has moved on and the AKG looks like more of a dissapointment than the LM4...  the bolt dosent even lock correctly, my god, has KWA really let WE tech out do them ( or rather "outpreform" them ;)) KWA needs to copletly redesign this thing for the US market if they have any hope of success, they need to put more steel, more power, more recoil, more range, more realism just more preformance in every area...

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 12:49 PM

Post Scriptum- if the LM4 taught us anyhting is thta the US on is unlikely to be very different than the asia one, if not worse ( i have a US LM4 and a good teammate picked up a asia variant whilst he was in HK)

Edited by Comissar, 23 November 2012 - 12:49 PM.


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Posted 23 November 2012 - 12:53 PM

PPS- arent full metal guns not allowed in japan though? <:/ how is th japan AKG full metal, pot metal at that, speaking of which o friend decied to do a simple chemical scratch test on a M93 raffica full metal, the famous Alloy  is mostly zinc magnesium and aluminium. this in the industry is known as Pot_metal

Edited by Comissar, 23 November 2012 - 01:01 PM.


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Posted 23 November 2012 - 01:25 PM

Quick question, Comissar, what part of the US legal AKG's design is outdated? I think it's a fine design. While we don't have the final production gun in our hands at this point in time, I'm confident KWA used the extra time in midst of the AKG's release to clean up and fix the mistakes that other companies' AKs had experienced. Maybe there's a reason for why the AKG's bolt works the way it does when the mag is empty. Maybe it is to not destroy the follower or the feed lips... it's something that helps promote the longevity of the product. The KWA AKGs are the most durable gas airsoft AKs I've ever held... you know it when you feel them. When I held the prototypes they felt great. When I held them again a year and a half later, they felt even more improved, both internally and externally in terms of blowback, fit and finish, and just quality of the materials used. They improve with time, like I said, KWA is using their time carefully to improve their products so they don't have the same defects other companies' guns experience. I have faith in KWA's AKG line. They are going to be some superb training rifles.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 01:47 PM

:Iknow: Disappointment with the LM4?  What am I missing here?

Surprisingly, that's not a smart-a** KWA kool-aid question.  The LM4 is my only gas rifle so I have no comparisons available.

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Edited by Chuck S, 23 November 2012 - 01:49 PM.


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Posted 23 November 2012 - 03:37 PM

+1 to what Chuck said about the LM4. I'm in the exact same boat and I'm curious.

Outlaw- I think Comissar was talking about the way that the follower stops the bolt. I do think that is an unsophisticated way to do it (not to mention unrealistic and I would expect very hard on the follower). I really hope they will implement a more realistic way of imitating an empty mag. Perhaps using a lever in the mag like the LM4 that prevents the gas valve from being triggered. Also, Could you elaborate on what problems other AK models have that KWA has addressed? I don't have a whole lot of experience with GBBs, except for my LM4, but I absolutely love them and I will be looking to get more instead of AEGs.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 04:09 PM

View PostBeachEMT, on 23 November 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:

+1 to what Chuck said about the LM4. I'm in the exact same boat and I'm curious.

Outlaw- I think Comissar was talking about the way that the follower stops the bolt. I do think that is an unsophisticated way to do it (not to mention unrealistic and I would expect very hard on the follower). I really hope they will implement a more realistic way of imitating an empty mag. Perhaps using a lever in the mag like the LM4 that prevents the gas valve from being triggered. Also, Could you elaborate on what problems other AK models have that KWA has addressed? I don't have a whole lot of experience with GBBs, except for my LM4, but I absolutely love them and I will be looking to get more instead of AEGs.
All I know is that progress has been made. If I'm coming off as seeming to know more info than you do, sorry if I came off that way, I know as much as you do. But I do know the rigorous work KWA puts into the design of their guns, I know they work very hard to improve their products. There's a reason why the bolt locks the way it does on the AKG. Hopefully we can get Allizard to comment on that. In terms of changes, I can tell you straight off the bat that the AKG is a HECK of a lot more reliable than any other airsoft gas AK on the market, not to mention gas efficiency. It feels much more sturdy too, built with a lot more steel parts than other companies' AKs which have A LOT more pot metal in them than KWA's.
Some airsoft gbb AKs have full travel bolts, but that results in damage to the bolt and other parts meanwhile the AKG has a buffer that prevents it from being an AK with full travel-bolt capability, but increases the lifespan of the product and gives it a faster ROF. Remember, this thing is an airsoft gun. It shoots 6mm plastic pellets. While it does have the potential being able to help train LE and military personnel, it is also marketed to the airsoft community... meaning, if you want absolute realism just buy a real AK. That will give you the most realistic blowback, etc... lol For the closest alternative that allows you to train much more safely, the AKG is a great option.

To close, I'll say this: KWA spends a lot of time and money in Research and Development. They closely watch what other companies do to their guns, how they are made and what things and features make them special. They take all that into consideration and develop what they think is the superior product. This is why it may take a long time to get a product out, and maybe it's a design that not everyone will like. Like I said, I have faith KWA will pull through on this... :)

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 04:25 PM

I'm sorry but I gotta be honest here.
I think you guys are being biased  and drank too much KWA kool aid on the LM4 and AKG.

If I was a rifle training company I wouldn't chooe AKG, GHK and WE would get the spot first.

In direct comparsion between GHK and KWA (since WE is kinda goofy on their AK)
The only thing that is on AKG side is price and use of steel part (very mild steel though)
I have never ever heard of issue with GHK's anti-dry fire mechanism, AKG's method is similiar to SRC (AK series) and VFC (mp5) design. The only reason I could think of running such design is being lazy on R&D. A lever blocking hammer from depressing release valve like WE did is not that hard (the only reason it fails in WE is because of their material choice)

As for LM4,
The bolt catch design is a fail in my opinion.
1) The fact that you can't release bolt carrier with charging handle is a big minus on KWA. (There are training doctrine that uses charging handle to release bolt carrier, example is Canadian Army on weak hand (left) shooting)
2) The bolt carrier makes about 1mm of contact with bolt catch causing it to round out since it's made of a mild steel.

I love KWA GBB, however, I'm not a fanatic, I can see where the design fail and point it out to people who are interesting in obtaining KWA gbb

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 04:41 PM

Okay enough. What is KWA kool aid!? I want some! LOL

I may be biased, but for good reason. Now, I didn't drink the KWA kool aid on the LM4. You can reference my thread on the design flaws on that gun... to sum it up in what's been said in that thread is that I agree with you on both points you have stated above on the LM4. But considering the AKG hasn't been released yet, I think we shouldn't judge it just yet and immediately think back on prior mistakes made by different companies. Let's let the gun come out, and see for ourselves! Then we can make a decision.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 05:52 PM

Agreed, let's stop arguing about a product that isn't released.  The US version may or may not carry the traits of the Asian version.  Until that happens though, lets chill please.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 01:53 AM

I dont care what any of the "haters" say. I know its going to be awesome.
KWA does their homework, and if what Outlaw says is right, the AKG should be as reliable as its real counterpart.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 10:14 AM

View PostOutlaw1995, on 23 November 2012 - 04:41 PM, said:

Okay enough. What is KWA kool aid!? I want some! LOL

I may be biased, but for good reason. Now, I didn't drink the KWA kool aid on the LM4. You can reference my thread on the design flaws on that gun... to sum it up in what's been said in that thread is that I agree with you on both points you have stated above on the LM4. But considering the AKG hasn't been released yet, I think we shouldn't judge it just yet and immediately think back on prior mistakes made by different companies. Let's let the gun come out, and see for ourselves! Then we can make a decision.
the kool-aid  is a slang term for propaganda
(EX. some liberal kool-aid is that the republican will take away womens rights,  however, constitutionaly that is not possible, and will not happen due to the american legal system

Edited by Comissar, 25 November 2012 - 10:31 AM.


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Posted 25 November 2012 - 10:18 AM

View Postkullwarrior, on 23 November 2012 - 04:25 PM, said:

I'm sorry but I gotta be honest here.
I think you guys are being biased  and drank too much KWA kool aid on the LM4 and AKG.

If I was a rifle training company I wouldn't chooe AKG, GHK and WE would get the spot first.

In direct comparsion between GHK and KWA (since WE is kinda goofy on their AK)
The only thing that is on AKG side is price and use of steel part (very mild steel though)
I have never ever heard of issue with GHK's anti-dry fire mechanism, AKG's method is similiar to SRC (AK series) and VFC (mp5) design. The only reason I could think of running such design is being lazy on R&D. A lever blocking hammer from depressing release valve like WE did is not that hard (the only reason it fails in WE is because of their material choice)

As for LM4,
The bolt catch design is a fail in my opinion.
1) The fact that you can't release bolt carrier with charging handle is a big minus on KWA. (There are training doctrine that uses charging handle to release bolt carrier, example is Canadian Army on weak hand (left) shooting)
2) The bolt carrier makes about 1mm of contact with bolt catch causing it to round out since it's made of a mild steel.

I love KWA GBB, however, I'm not a fanatic, I can see where the design fail and point it out to people who are interesting in obtaining KWA gbb
yes, also the LM4 had a steel bolt but i do not think that it has enough support to have such things, i think that the entire body should be steel, maybe a alluminum buffer tube, handle, and barrel though, in order to increase durability and realsim. i think that many of the problems come form the government, because they make sure i cant put something too durable or good ( a real steel reciever) in order to prevent crime and such. also if KWA had an RA tech lijke  workshop that made every gun better like with WE then i would be much happier

Edited by Comissar, 25 November 2012 - 10:21 AM.





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