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#1 killerimpulse

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 06:59 PM

ok as i posted before i just got the LM4 PTR. This is my second KWA Gn. In the manual it says in capital letters, NO SPRAY LUBE. The hobby shop i purchased both my LM4 PTR and ATP sold me spray lube.
I know some members recommended a spray lube but i dont want to mess up my Gns or my warranty.

So if anyone could throw some ideas my way would be great.

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 07:06 PM

So KWA recommends that you don't use spray silicon oil because it has additives that may or may not ruin parts in your gun. KWA recommends that you use 100% pure silicon oil 20-30 wt. You can probably find this at the shop you purchased your spray lube from. Or, you can find it at an R/C hobby store, and the internet. Some members of the forum use a lubricant called Dry-Film, and that seems to work for them well. Others also use GHK. Here's a link: http://www.evike.com...oducts_id=33583

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 07:19 PM

Thank you outlaw.
The hobby shop only sells firepower lube in a spray can. So ill have to purchase some of the lube you recommended online. I try to keep my purchases to LHS to help keep them in business, but when i cant help i'll have to go to online.
I cant find a KWA recommended brand, so i guess any dropper bottle will do?

Thanks for the quick reply



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Posted 04 August 2012 - 07:39 PM

HobbyTown USA sells different weight pure silicone lubricants, I use the 30wt.

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 08:13 PM

I really only recommend 25-30wt shock oil, or the spray dry lube. Just be careful when you lubricate your guns to not get any in the hop up area..

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 02:12 PM

I am one of the few that have been experimenting with Super Lube Dri-Film. My impression from what I have read from the packaging, Dri-Film is basically liquid graphite that bonds to metal. The self lubricating process looks to be the film basically being grounded away by the friction, which then becomes a fine layer of graphite. I am curious to the actual life of the Dri-Film due to lubricating properties of GG; how long does it take the silicon oil in GG to wash away the Dri-Film?


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Posted 06 August 2012 - 10:40 AM

I tried graphite powder but it only worked for about an hour of use before everything got gummed up.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 01:42 PM

Yeah. i dont know about dri flim yet. So im thinking im gonna have to stick with rc silicone oil.

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 02:52 PM

View PostR_King91303, on 05 August 2012 - 02:12 PM, said:

I am one of the few that have been experimenting with Super Lube Dri-Film. My impression from what I have read from the packaging, Dri-Film is basically liquid graphite that bonds to metal. The self lubricating process looks to be the film basically being grounded away by the friction, which then becomes a fine layer of graphite. I am curious to the actual life of the Dri-Film due to lubricating properties of GG; how long does it take the silicon oil in GG to wash away the Dri-Film?


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I spray down the exterior surface of the bolt, charging handle, and inside of the upper receiver.  I spray about 2 coats on all the surface and this was about 3K rounds ago. I have not yet needed reapplication but I do wipe down excess oil from GG when I clean my LM4.  I use Dri-FIlm on all my GBB pistols as well (on the slide rails on the slide and lower frame).  One application seems to last longer than silicone.

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 05:22 PM

View Postniko_gpsy, on 07 August 2012 - 02:52 PM, said:

I spray down the exterior surface of the bolt, charging handle, and inside of the upper receiver.  I spray about 2 coats on all the surface and this was about 3K rounds ago. I have not yet needed reapplication but I do wipe down excess oil from GG when I clean my LM4.  I use Dri-FIlm on all my GBB pistols as well (on the slide rails on the slide and lower frame).  One application seems to last longer than silicone.

So you pull your upper off and pull the receiver slide and charging handle off the Gn and spray? Do you apply silicone oil to the o-rings and other necessary parts?

Im gonna make a new thread cause im getting conflicting reports from other websites about what to oil

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 07:44 AM

View Postkillerimpulse, on 07 August 2012 - 05:22 PM, said:

Im gonna make a new thread cause im getting conflicting reports from other websites about what to oil
I think the best place to trust would be the KWA Technical Forums. After all, it is the forum that is run by the same company that makes the products... Trust your manual, always. That will always provide the basics for maintenance and cleaning.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 08:13 AM

I have been using Frog Lube with my guns and they seem to cycle smoother than with silicone.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 08:21 AM

Frog lube is very good if you apply it right.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 08:30 AM

Yeah I first clean the part with alcohol, then I heat up the part with a hair dryer, then I apply the frog lube and let it sit for 30 minutes. It leaves a nice slippery surface that doesn't fling off the part.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 08:31 AM

We do not recommend spray lube because it can get on parts that do not need oil like the bucking and barrel. Some users think if the gun is having any issues or is dirty just spray it with oil. We get so many guns in for service just because they have been sprayed with oil and the gun is collecting build up or the bucking is swollen. Dropper form is better because of the consistency and you can put is on the specific parts that need it like seals and valves.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 08:56 AM

Spray silicon oil vs. regular pure silicon oil.

It's not to say you can never use spray silicon oil in EVERYWHERE in the gun.   The main reason is avoid spraying down the hop-up chamber which can cause the bucking to swell.  To void the confusion we decided just not going to recommend silicon oil completely.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 09:27 AM

View PostAllizard, on 08 August 2012 - 08:56 AM, said:

Spray silicon oil vs. regular pure silicon oil.

It's not to say you can never use spray silicon oil in EVERYWHERE in the gun.   The main reason is avoid spraying down the hop-up chamber which can cause the bucking to swell.  To void the confusion we decided just not going to recommend silicon oil completely.

Ok. I was reading a lot of people were saying to lube the parts up as air will pass over a dry oring and some were saying to turn the Gn over remove magazine and spray into the body.
Allowing silicone to penetrate down into the hopeup bucking and barrel.
My manual doesn't say that just shows drops being place in certain areas.  I'm not one for just wildly spraying into unknown areas but with limited info in the manual I felt the Gn needed more attention then just the areas pictured.
I'm a little upset with my hobby shop for selling a lube that's not meant for the purpose of maintaining seal.
That's  just me being finicky, about my Gns.
The other thing that struck me odd was to spray lube down the barrel? That just don't seem right. Wouldn't I want to wipe that out.

I like the idea of pulling my up receiver and pulling out my internals and wiping clean.
What about the q-tips dipped in soapy water and clean my " hard to reach areas" ? Good idea?
I see a lot of Gn owners doing that.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 10:07 AM

Q-Tips have worked very well for me. I'd recommend them.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 01:11 PM

Unfortunately there are abundance of MISINFORMATION on Youtube, Forums.   The practice of spraying down the hop-up and cleaning inner barrel with silicon oil are extremely common in US.  When chatting with our Japanese engineers they were all surprise why we are doing that.   :facepalm:


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Ok. I was reading a lot of people were saying to lube the parts up as air will pass over a dry oring and some were saying to turn the Gn over remove magazine and spray into the body.
Allowing silicone to penetrate down into the hopeup bucking and barrel.
My manual doesn't say that just shows drops being place in certain areas.  I'm not one for just wildly spraying into unknown areas but with limited info in the manual I felt the Gn needed more attention then just the areas pictured.
I'm a little upset with my hobby shop for selling a lube that's not meant for the purpose of maintaining seal.
That's  just me being finicky, about my Gns.
The other thing that struck me odd was to spray lube down the barrel? That just don't seem right. Wouldn't I want to wipe that out.

I like the idea of pulling my up receiver and pulling out my internals and wiping clean.
What about the q-tips dipped in soapy water and clean my " hard to reach areas" ? Good idea?
I see a lot of Gn owners doing that.


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Posted 08 August 2012 - 03:58 PM

I remember once on YouTube, a guy instructed to spray the bucking with silicone to help install it if its tight O_o




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