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#21 BoobieM4H

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 11:43 AM

View Postkullwarrior, on 02 July 2012 - 06:22 AM, said:

Are you looking at Jay Rambo dude on youtube? Don't listen to him (he did a review on three guns when he only handle/own one of them)

G&P is not really special anymore, Cheaper, better options are available.

WE is pretty good, VSR hopup bucking and nub is a big plus, All the problemanic part can be upgraded.

Rambo dude is a joke..I personally have this little beef with him on youtube..if you are sub'd to this guy please don't believe everything he says..he really does not know much about gbbr's..only about his g&p..he does no upgrading or modifying to his gbbr are and therefore I think all of his false statement cannot be taken seriously.

If you had to chose between we,kwa,gp..id go kwa..if you don't have that much money save up..if you're too impatient..buy the we and upgrade internals later when they break..because they will..we is a good gun tho..gp..well let's just say I owned 2 of them..and sold them both because they just couldn't hold up to being a solid gbbr.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 11:58 AM

I think for the fact that LM4 is relatively new in US and not many people have tried aftermarket part is going to be hard to tell you are the RA Tech KSC barrel is any good.   I've just measured our stock inner barrel and they are average 6.03 - 6.04mm.  It's within tight bore barrel range.  

Keep in mind gas gun behave very differently than AEG, how does a BB travel is greatly affected by how the BB SETUP in the hop-up chamber.   When I get more time I'll write a technical details on this.  But for the mean time, use good BB, keep barrel clean and bucking free of oil residue is all I can say at the moment.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 01:49 PM

The only things the G&P WOC GBBRs have over the LM4 is a wider variety of external configurations and trademarks. I had two closed bolt WE guns (M4 and 416) and so far the LM4 is more solid are reliable. And even though several of my LM4 mags were leakers out of the box, they have all been easy fixes. Many of my WE mags were chronic leakers, even with regular maintenance.

As to the accuracy question, I can get 175' consistently. I have had a weird problem when one BB will suddenly curve up and the next curve down. Then the trajectory will go back to normal. Haven't gotten around to solving that issue yet.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 07:15 PM

View PostBoobieM4H, on 02 July 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

It may seem like everyone is ignoring you..probably because it seems like you are not searching here on the forums for answers to your questions..there have been multiple threads on what you are looking for and asking..also folks have put the parts you are asking for in the LM4 already. Not trying to be mean or anything so please don't take this wrong..I just don't think people want to go over it again when its clearly posted here on the forums.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 07:32 PM

I'm using the ksc tbb..and I like it..but then again..it won't fit an LM4 without some modifications..and Allizard is right..where the bb starts its trajectory is in the hop up unit..that needs to be solid and then your bb will go far and straight ..and differences in tbb diameter are minimal between a 6.05 vs. 6.03..with results almost the same..unless you're shooting at like squirrels 150 ft away and need that pinpoint accuracy id say just leave the stock barrel in until KWA releases a tbb for the LM4..unless you wanna mod your gun to use the kcs tbb..up to you

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 12:53 AM

One thing KWA needs to work on is the hop up actuating lever, its adjustability is very limited. The stock one could not overhop 0.28g (while some people reported 0.28g overhop at lowest setting)

Because of this gun, it will be the first time I will be returning to 0.25g.

I've try bending the lever but it made it overhop all the way as well.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 05:19 AM

View PostBoobieM4H, on 02 July 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:

Rambo dude is a joke..I personally have this little beef with him on youtube..if you are sub'd to this guy please don't believe everything he says..he really does not know much about gbbr's..only about his g&p..he does no upgrading or modifying to his gbbr are and therefore I think all of his false statement cannot be taken seriously.

If you had to chose between we,kwa,gp..id go kwa..if you don't have that much money save up..if you're too impatient..buy the we and upgrade internals later when they break..because they will..we is a good gun tho..gp..well let's just say I owned 2 of them..and sold them both because they just couldn't hold up to being a solid gbbr.

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As I said, I dont use youtube for that reson. And are you talking about the guy that had a video titled ' my opinions on the lm4'?

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 05:22 AM

View PostBoobieM4H, on 02 July 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

I'm using the ksc tbb..and I like it..but then again..it won't fit an LM4 without some modifications..and Allizard is right..where the bb starts its trajectory is in the hop up unit..that needs to be solid and then your bb will go far and straight ..and differences in tbb diameter are minimal between a 6.05 vs. 6.03..with results almost the same..unless you're shooting at like squirrels 150 ft away and need that pinpoint accuracy id say just leave the stock barrel in until KWA releases a tbb for the LM4..unless you wanna mod your gun to use the kcs tbb..up to you

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Would the ksc tbb work? I would put it in, but I don't know how to take the hop-up unit off to put the barrel in.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 06:12 AM

View Postbadkarmaas, on 03 July 2012 - 05:19 AM, said:

As I said, I dont use youtube for that reson. And are you talking about the guy that had a video titled ' my opinions on the lm4'?

I think you're talking about Jedi, who also seems to have something against the LM4.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 08:24 AM

View Postakiraspeedstar, on 03 July 2012 - 06:12 AM, said:

I think you're talking about Jedi, who also seems to have something against the LM4.
Yep thats the guy. Apparently he likes his gp bettee than every gun made. But on another ntoe, I think I'm looking into the king arms gbbr's. They're everything I need in a nice $380 package... but its not because I don't like KWA, I have a wonderful SR10 and M9 PTP for all you people that think I'm hating on KWA.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 12:32 PM

View Postbadkarmaas, on 03 July 2012 - 08:24 AM, said:

Yep thats the guy. Apparently he likes his gp bettee than every gun made. But on another ntoe, I think I'm looking into the king arms gbbr's. They're everything I need in a nice $380 package... but its not because I don't like KWA, I have a wonderful SR10 and M9 PTP for all you people that think I'm hating on KWA.
Why would you buy a ka gbbr that has zinc alloy internals in the lower when you can get an LM4 that has steel just about everything for around the same price?

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 12:37 PM

i have to agree with boobie youll regret it later unless you plan on upgrading a lot of parts as they break

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 03:04 PM

I learned that, so I went with back to the lm4. Does anybody know when evike will have the magpul edition? I keep hearing on this NPAS. What does it do exactly and do I have to mod it to fit in my gun? I need to shot at 400 fps. And is there another recoil buffer spring that won't wear on my internals?

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 03:17 PM

View PostBoobieM4H, on 02 July 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

I'm using the ksc tbb..and I like it..but then again..it won't fit an LM4 without some modifications..and Allizard is right..where the bb starts its trajectory is in the hop up unit..that needs to be solid and then your bb will go far and straight ..and differences in tbb diameter are minimal between a 6.05 vs. 6.03..with results almost the same..unless you're shooting at like squirrels 150 ft away and need that pinpoint accuracy id say just leave the stock barrel in until KWA releases a tbb for the LM4..unless you wanna mod your gun to use the kcs tbb..up to you

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what type of mods are you looking at?

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 04:13 PM

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what type of mods are you looking at?

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 04:50 PM

Thanks boobie. Does anyone knowif i could put my SR10 stock on the LM4. I'm really wanting it, but I just absolutely hate them. I HAD one on my AR-15, but i had to replace it.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 04:58 PM

I think people need to understand that KWA GBB in general fall under the "If it ain't break it, DO NOT FIX/UPGRADE/EDIT/MESS with it"

Aside from the Gen 1 GBB system and M18 series (M18 is a very old design AFAIK) none of the System 7/NS2 guns are problemanic.

Ask yourself: Amongst those folks who break their MP7, how many of them upgrade/mess around the internal? (Sling loop is the only one where KWA screw up)

LM4 is the exact same minus the hopup issue which seem to be hit/miss
-> Angry gun kit = problem
-> AR-15 buffer = problem

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 04:58 PM

View Postbadkarmaas, on 03 July 2012 - 03:04 PM, said:

I learned that, so I went with back to the lm4. Does anybody know when evike will have the magpul edition? I keep hearing on this NPAS. What does it do exactly and do I have to mod it to fit in my gun? I need to shot at 400 fps. And is there another recoil buffer spring that won't wear on my internals?
On a really hot day, you will probably achieve 400 fps, and the best recoil buffer and buffer spring that won't wear out your internals are the ones you get for free with your LM4 purchase! The stock buffer and buffer spring has been designed to work a specific way with the gas system, providing just the right amount of weight to get that awesome recoil, but keeping your LM4 as reliable as possible so it won't be enough force to break something (Angry Gun's kit).

You will find that parts made by KWA are the best because its made by KWA for KWA. Sometimes some modifications to your fps may not work, it is always a sure thing to go with KWA and buy parts made by KWA to lower or raise fps... KWA's Low Power Bolts for MP7 and MP9 for example.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 05:07 PM

View Postbadkarmaas, on 03 July 2012 - 04:50 PM, said:

Thanks boobie. Does anyone knowif i could put my SR10 stock on the LM4. I'm really wanting it, but I just absolutely hate them. I HAD one on my AR-15, but i had to replace it.
Oh yea. When i was saying i hate them, I was reffering to the LE stock. My bad for not adding that.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 07:58 PM

View Postkullwarrior, on 03 July 2012 - 04:58 PM, said:

I think people need to understand that KWA GBB in general fall under the "If it ain't break it, DO NOT FIX/UPGRADE/EDIT/MESS with it"

Aside from the Gen 1 GBB system and M18 series (M18 is a very old design AFAIK) none of the System 7/NS2 guns are problemanic.

Ask yourself: Amongst those folks who break their MP7, how many of them upgrade/mess around the internal? (Sling loop is the only one where KWA screw up)

LM4 is the exact same minus the hopup issue which seem to be hit/miss
-> Angry gun kit = problem
-> AR-15 buffer = problem

I will say that if you don't know what you're doing..then don't mess with it..and on the other hand if you do..well do it right..I am guilty of the later..ar15 buffer problem solved..angry gun kit..threw it somewhere in my garage..where it will never see the light of day again.

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