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#1 iWar

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 04:23 PM

So I bought a G36C back in Feb. threw the bol 11.1 lipo 1400mah in it and it overcycled. Came on the forums and lots of people had the same problem that bought them late 2011 and early 2012. Looked for how to fix it and can not find the fix n the forums. So I check back every couple weeks and still no fix and no one has mentioned it in awhile... So I decided to call KWA and get tech support to help. At first they told me it was most likely a European model and all internals would have to be changed out. I told him that it  was for US gave him SS# and he said it was US. So I asked him what the fix was for other people that sent them in. So he tells me that that is confidential and privileged info and I could not have it. So I'm pretty pissed off at KWA again (SR10 broke first time I played with it and had to send it back. No gun for a month). So the life time tech support is useless if they wont give us the fixes for the problems.

I Know I can run a 9.6v or a 7.4v in it and it will be fine, but thats not what I paid for! If I wanted to run a 9.6v I would of bought a Combat Machine. Can someone from KWA please tell me how to fix this problem, or anyone else who knows help me? I have Never been able to field this gun even once. Also I can not put in a M130 it will shoot to hot. I did put in a SP120 and it did not fix the issue.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 06:22 PM

Have you tried removing the sector gear clip?

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 07:43 PM

Huh? Most if not all of the lipo battery G36c issues in this forum touch on the over cycling issue. The solutions are any of the following: #1 Go with a lower voltage battery (9.6 nimh or 7.4 lipo) #2 Go with a stiffer spring #3 Remove the sector clip.

Dunno, but maybe one of the mods/admins might want to make one of the more organized (civil & constructive) lipo battery overcycling threads sticky?


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Posted 23 June 2012 - 07:55 PM

Which KWA  tech told you that the "fix" is confidential and privileged?


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Posted 23 June 2012 - 08:40 PM

Not sure of his name I think he said Allen or maybe Charlie. I did ask about the sector clip when I talk to him because I saw a post that Allizard posted in the Mods forum that he removed the sector clip in his gun. First he told me that that may not fix the issue and second that I needed a special press to take it off. Not sure if that is true either, but that is probably gonna be the next thing that I try. I just don't want to do more harm then good. Pretty sure the sector clip is saposta fix the timing not mess it up. Can Anyone confirm that that is the fix because no one has ever said what the "fix" is. I have searched the forums very thoroughly. And a 9.6 or 7.4 is not a fix to me its a down grade and M130 is also not a fix if you can't get on the field with it. Thanks for the help...

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 08:57 PM

View PostiWar, on 23 June 2012 - 08:40 PM, said:

Not sure of his name I think he said Allen or maybe Charlie. I did ask about the sector clip when I talk to him because I saw a post that Allizard posted in the Mods forum that he removed the sector clip in his gun. First he told me that that may not fix the issue and second that I needed a special press to take it off. Not sure if that is true either, but that is probably gonna be the next thing that I try. I just don't want to do more harm then good. Pretty sure the sector clip is saposta fix the timing not mess it up. Can Anyone confirm that that is the fix because no one has ever said what the "fix" is. I have searched the forums very thoroughly. And a 9.6 or 7.4 is not a fix to me its a down grade and M130 is also not a fix if you can't get on the field with it. Thanks for the help...
I would remove the sector gear clip.  While the addition of this clip is meant to adjust the timing in high speed builds, it has helped in a number of guns, including Allizard's, because of the multiple factors affecting timing and BB output.  Please try it and let use know the outcome.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 09:16 PM

Thanks... I will try tomorrow night and let you know. Do I really need a press to get it out, or is there a another way?

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 09:19 PM

View PostiWar, on 23 June 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

Thanks... I will try tomorrow night and let you know. Do I really need a press to get it out, or is there a another way?
A flat head screw driver has always worked for me...give it a try.

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 04:24 AM

View Postgcw360, on 23 June 2012 - 09:19 PM, said:

A flat head screw driver has always worked for me...give it a try.

An extremely small / thin flat head screw driver; like the ones for eye glasses.

It has been speculated that a 11.1 Lipo with a lower C rating might be a solution to the over cycle. Most 11.1 Lipos I have seen have a C rating of 15+, but there are a few brands that have a lower rating. I think what sets lipos apart (increased trigger response) is contributing to the over cycle in the G36, a lower C rating *might* delay the trigger response enough to stop the over cycle.


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Posted 24 June 2012 - 03:40 PM

Just to let people know I'm not gonna be able to remove the sector clip for a few days maybe a week. But once I do remove it I will come back and post my findings one way or the other. Thanks for all the help...

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 02:42 PM

For the record, we would never tell anyone that the fixes to our guns are a secret or "CONFIDENTIAL & PRIVILEGED". We do let people know that we can't tell them how to do a repair over the phone though. The reason we do not give repair instructions over the phone is because we are then held liable if the user does not follow the instructions given or does not understand the instructions, and breaks the gun further. They can then say it is what we told them to do to fix the gun.
We instead refer them to this forum to search or ask the questions needed in order to repair the gun. Our Customer Service is here to answer basic product questions, parts orders and set up repairs to be sent in. If someone wants to fix an item on their own, we can't help them with any instruction on repairing the item.
I'm sorry if that was misunderstood when you called to speak with one of our representatives.




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