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#21 niko_gpsy

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 04:49 PM

LOL
I am sure Airsoft Innovations conducted an "independent non-biased" research on Green Gas.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 05:09 PM

View Postniko_gpsy, on 21 February 2012 - 04:49 PM, said:

LOL
I am sure Airsoft Innovations conducted an "independent non-biased" research on Green Gas.

Lab results back from spectrometry lab...

Results reveal.... Green Gas of X Brand = Mixture of many chemical compounds that an average person would not understand  Propane

Good to go for marketing propane adapters!

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 05:14 PM

View Postgreatwatermelon, on 21 February 2012 - 05:09 PM, said:


Lab results back from spectrometry lab...

Results reveal.... Green Gas of X Brand = Mixture of many chemical compounds that an average person would not understand  Propane

Good to go for marketing propane adapters!

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 04:32 PM

Sorry for necroposting but one last thing: if you have money to buy a KWA, a high end airsoft gun, then you make sure you have the money to buy the gas that goes with it. I don't understand why if KWA tells you to use green gas, people still question why they can't use propane to save money. If you want to try to save money, just don't buy a GBB. Lol... Simple as that.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 08:04 PM

I run propane in my guns and add some light weight silicon oil to the reservoir every couple mag fills. I can't justify the cost of buying bottle after bottle of green gas. Yeah, parts do break, but that's user abuse (I test and shoot these guns in every kind of situation) or just normal wear and tear. However, I do keep a bottle or two of green gas around to run through the gun every once in a while or to lube it up right after a complete breakdown and cleaning.

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Forgot to say to use green gas AT LEAST for the first 45 days to abide with the warranty rules. After that, it's really up to the user. That's what I do.

Edited by apacifico3, 25 February 2012 - 08:06 PM.


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Posted 27 February 2012 - 01:12 PM

For one, Green Gas is hard to get for many people, regardless of price.

+1 to the "been using propane for years" crowd. I've got one of the first AI adaptors when they came out. I use only green Coleman camping propane from Walmart. No gunk. No "overpower" breakages. Light oiling with silicone now and then. No issues.

Airsoft Green Gas tends to be extremely diluted with silicone oil. I've used many different brands of GG over the years and all are quite "wet" when expelled, sending oil spraying everywhere. Often to the detriment of the gun, as silicone traps dirt and debris like a black hole. I've had more jams using "wet" GG than "dry" propane, exacerbated by the sandy and dusty climate I live in.

If you use propane for years and never, ever clean your gun, yes the "smell" additive can gunk it up. But so can all the dust and other crap that will accumulate regardless. If you regularly maintain your weapon just as if you ran it on GG only, you'll be just fine.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 02:59 PM

Did some tests with propane on my ATP.  It didn't break my gun after 500 rounds and it performed ok for the most part.  Only thing I noticed other than the obvious smell, is that full mag rapid fire left more frost on the gun than GG and later caused a malfunction.  I have found that the oil that comes with the AI adaptors are too thin.  Started using 10WT silicone shock oil and it performed better. Not advocating the use of straight propane but just letting you know.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 11:38 AM

Using King Arms GG, I've noticed a lot of oil. At least once or twice every mag, I get a more powerful shot that sprays oil on my hand. Haven't noticed anything crazy excessive inside the pistol, but definitely there. Don't know if this is necessarily a bad thing, but I've always been told the less the better when it comes to lubricant in any air gun. I'm sure I will switch to propane after the 45 day warranty is up. If it harms it, then I will simply chalk it up to life lessons of airsoft.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 06:21 PM

Be sure to shake the can before filling.  This should mitigate the excess oil per occasional fill.

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 12:28 PM

View Postgcw360, on 09 March 2012 - 06:21 PM, said:

Be sure to shake the can before filling.  This should mitigate the excess oil per occasional fill.

Thanks. Yeah I do that every time.

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 04:27 PM

For the cost of an ATP, PTP at $130 and $165 respectivly, any damage caused by less expensive propane can be factored into the life of the pistol. Also we have to remember these are Airsoft guns, not real steel firearms. For the price difference between the gas gun and the real steel firearm you can buy several gas guns and shoot the hell out of them, if one gets damaged then throw it away or use it for parts in your next gas gun. If your on a budget and can only afford one gas gun then by all means use the Green Gas for the 45 day warrenty then switch to the less expensive propane. If you run your gas gun in a dirty enviroment you will have to more diligent on cleaning after every use to help maintain and prolong the life of your gas gun. Hell even if you don't use it in a dirty enviroment clean it just the same to prolong the life of the gun. The same goes for real steel, if you want the firearm to be reliable you have to do your part and keep it maintained and clean.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 01:02 AM

Not here anymore to debate that green gas is NOT just propane and silicone oil.

However, for the some of you who are switching over to Propane when your warranty is up. Be sure to use silicone oil (rc shock oil wt.30) and NOT silicone sprays. Using a silicone spray to maintain or mix with Propane will raise a very probable chance of a failure in your KWA GBB. Another advise is to use the plastic propane adapters and not the metal propane adapters.

Either than that, experiment with the amount of silicone oil that needs to be mixed with each fill of propane and settle with what you find best for your KWA. And if anything ever goes wrong, or even great, we'll be here to help or listen. :)

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 01:50 AM

View Postgreatwatermelon, on 15 March 2012 - 01:02 AM, said:

Not here anymore to debate that green gas is NOT just propane and silicone oil.

However, for the some of you who are switching over to Propane when your warranty is up. Be sure to use silicone oil (rc shock oil wt.30) and NOT silicone sprays. Using a silicone spray to maintain or mix with Propane will raise a very probable chance of a failure in your KWA GBB. Another advise is to use the plastic propane adapters and not the metal propane adapters.

Either than that, experiment with the amount of silicone oil that needs to be mixed with each fill of propane and settle with what you find best for your KWA. And if anything ever goes wrong, or even great, we'll be here to help or listen. :)

2 questions:

Is the rc shock oil comparable to the bottle that is supplied with the atp?

When experimenting with oil/propane ratios, how does one know when they have it right? not too dry and not saturated?

Thanka

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 05:03 AM

View Postjpip, on 15 March 2012 - 01:50 AM, said:


2 questions:

Is the rc shock oil comparable to the bottle that is supplied with the atp?

When experimenting with oil/propane ratios, how does one know when they have it right? not too dry and not saturated?

Thanka

The rc shock oil is comparable considering wt. I believe KWA advises to use 20-25wt pure silicon oil. Too heavy a silicon oil can make your slide sticky, and fail to cycle properly, while too light will make your slide fly back as smooth as butter- which is also a problem making more wear on your internals and slide.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 08:11 AM

I have been experimenting with different silicone weights lately and so far I have to say 10wt seems to give me the best performance. Only time will tell how it holds up over time but so far it seems a lighter weight (less than 20wt) is good for GBB.  But don't go out raiding your hobby store just yet. lol

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Posted 23 July 2014 - 09:23 PM

I use propane in all of my guns. They are all gbb pistols and a gbbr. Never had a problem and haven't for 3 years. Im going to continue to save some money and take the "risk" lol :clap:

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 05:07 PM

I shoot Coleman Propane in my KJW Hi capa and am ordering an ATP very soon and was very interested in this thread.

Quick question:  For those who have had component failures running Propane, what parts failed? I intend to use my ATP as a platform for a Steel Challenge/IPSC race gun, (since there are none to be found on the 'net) just to be different and want to stock my range bag with the parts needed as backup.

Love the forums and looking forward to playing with the ATP!!!!

thanks guys.

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