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#1 sdk1968

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 08:40 AM

since we were talking about it in another thread thought it would be a fun test with my daughter this morning while everyone else was still sleeping so we went out and did some shooting to have a better basis for the conversation in the other threads.

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it was over cast with an occasional sprinkle and a slight breeze off and on.  temp was about 70F.  so in other words it was real world conditions.   :rolleyes:


effective distance on a standard gun has been a ongoing conversation so heres how it went.

went out and double checked the target distance and so on.

did 2 distances with both 20 & 25 grn KSC perfects and 6.01 & 6.03 prommy/matrix ss barrels x 407length (this fits perfectly inside the cage of the flash hider on the m4A1 with nothing sticking out.)

did 10 warm up shots at nothing but the distance to set the hop up and let it settle in. (in every set up)then 50 shots with each BB at each distance, then switched barrels and repeated the test completely.

gun chrono'd out at 387-390 on the 20's with the hop up "OFF" and the 6.03

gun chrono'd at 391-392 with 20's with hop up "OFF" and the 6.01


150' to man target with 12" ballon head:
  

20's could hit the target with no problem but really had to work for headshots & not enough power to bust the balloon
25's could hit target much easier & head shots ran about 2 out of 5. still no balloon busting.

balloon had a little wind to work with as it never really held still.  

FOOTNOTE: the 6.03 barrel has ZERO jams with either BB's   the 6.01 had several with the 25's & 2 with the 20's

  
197' to man target with 12" balloon head.    


20's this was obviously out there to where it was "robin hood" it in there and play with the wind.  also could loop them around things if needed.
25's they still had a decent hit ratio to the overall target with easily id'd hits,  balloon hits dropped to 3 out of 10.

obviously no balloon breakage at this distance.

6.03 barrel had no jams.   the 6.01 again had several. (KSC's are usually the smaller of the bb's, so not sure how it would work with BB's that were 5.98)

while the m4A1 isnt a sniper rifle i sure wouldnt be afraid to take a shot at someone near the 200' mark & can obviously burst fire and keep them pinned if needed.


overall personal opinion:
  in this case the 6.01 was a waste of money compared to the 6.03 as it was in no way more accurate at all in this gun, only gained about 3 fps on the chrono and then wanted to jam on good quality bb's.   TOTALLY DISAPPOINTED in 6.01 verses 6.03.

oh and it was a fun time with the older daughter shooting.    :thumbsup:

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 12:55 PM

Hmmmmm................. I run nothing but edgi 6.01 in all my KWA rifles and have ran KSC and Goldenball bb's with not a single jam issue.  It might be your barrel causing the jams.  I have never owned a 6.03 but I have read in many threads that 6.01 is more accurate to about 100feet but anything beyond that the 6.03 seems to be more accurate than the 6.01.

P.S. I too have shooting events with my son in my backyard and I enjoy spending the time together with him.  He is only 6 years old and can out shoot me any day.  :thumbsup:

Edited by niko_gpsy, 23 April 2011 - 12:57 PM.


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Posted 23 April 2011 - 12:57 PM

ksc bbs aren't very good.

BTW you never should of had jams. Something was wrong with either the bbs our your barrel...

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 01:03 PM

How are KSC bbs not good?

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 02:04 PM

i never tried to compare the barrels in close (100 or less)...  never even thought of that.

as to the bb's?  ive had better accuracy with KSC's then anything else ive tried in this gun,  only the GOLDENBALLS were as good or close. after that the Matrix Maximums were just as good as anything.

as to the 6.01 jamming?  got no clue as it looks perfect and there is not a burr in it anywhere, thought for sure with all the bragging everyone does on these barrels that this would be the schizzle.  turns out on this particular gun, in my hands to not be any better than the 6.03.  

its ok im happy with that & will just sell it to someone who is convinced that the 6.01 is better.   :rolleyes:

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 02:37 PM

I've been using my EDgI 6.01 with KSC .25 and .30 in mine for the last year without a single jam as well. I don't think any bb is flaw free but the KSC has proven itself to me. Before these I only used Excel brand .23 and loved them, but KSC has been the only thing to rival the performance.

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 02:45 PM

maybe its the Prommy/matrix barrel then?  LOL

if you guys ever had the edgi's in stock for more than 5 seconds i would have gotten one of them.     :shocked:

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 03:50 PM

I recommend you spend the extra money and buy an actual prommy barrel btw. The last time my friend bought the Matrix tbb that claimed to come from Prommy factory itself.... turned out to be a very poorly made barrel.

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 08:31 PM

Well, I need to chime in too.  I have run various brands through my EdGI 6.01 (M4 Carbine length) with never a jam.  Literally 100K or more BB's.  Also, 6.01 is not the smallest TBB by a long shot.  I know PLENTY of players using 6.00 and less.  Yours is a test of "ONE" and while it may very well be accurate for the barrels you tested I would not judges all barrel by your test.:gun:

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Posted 24 April 2011 - 04:03 AM

hey guys is there anywhere in my post that says:

this is the test of tests and is the "law" & has tons of research and facts behind it?  NO.


it was just a post sharing MY results at my house with my gun on this particular day.   it was just for fun & not to be taken as law, fact, done in stone or even reliable for anyone else.

i took the time to post it cause i found it interesting and not what i had expected. lots of the people i play with run 6.01 barrels. but in my gun it didnt work worth a crap and its been in and out of this gun 4 times now.  same result every time.

could it be the barrel?  sure, but how many of us are gonna go buy a pile of barrels to see if there is a good or bad one?

most people are just like me and will order a barrel and what they get is what they got.  it just so happened that my buddy and me got barrels and since they were there i tried them both out.

maybe a EDGI barrel would have been completely different?  maybe a madbull black python in 5.99 would be fine

got no clue and wasnt gonna spend the money right now to find out...  maybe if the easter bunny leaves me an extra "egg", then i can get the EDGI 6.01 and try it out.   :whistle:

then come back and compare it to these Prommy/matrix barrels... but that kinda gets into a barrel quality comparison.

happy easter!

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Posted 24 April 2011 - 04:19 PM

View Postgcw360, on 23 April 2011 - 08:31 PM, said:

Well, I need to chime in too.  I have run various brands through my EdGI 6.01 (M4 Carbine length) with never a jam.  Literally 100K or more BB's.  Also, 6.01 is not the smallest TBB by a long shot.  I know PLENTY of players using 6.00 and less.  Yours is a test of "ONE" and while it may very well be accurate for the barrels you tested I would not judges all barrel by your test.:gun:

True, a test of one barrel may not speak for others. :P However, I could specify that the Matrix Prommy-like barrel installed into my friend's KWA had poor cuts and dimensioning for the KWA hop up, and plenty of scratches inside of it, which could have occurred due to the poor dimensioning of the barrel itself.

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Posted 24 April 2011 - 04:51 PM



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Posted 24 April 2011 - 05:39 PM

View Postgreatwatermelon, on 24 April 2011 - 04:19 PM, said:

True, a test of one barrel may not speak for others. :P However, I could specify that the Matrix Prommy-like barrel installed into my friend's KWA had poor cuts and dimensioning for the KWA hop up, and plenty of scratches inside of it, which could have occurred due to the poor dimensioning of the barrel itself.

So maybe the moral of the story is...
1) Not all TBB's are created equal
2) Not all TBB's will work well in your KWA (or other manufacturer's gun for that matter)
3) Buy tried and true...tested... barrels for good results!!!

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Posted 24 April 2011 - 06:00 PM

im sure that gcw360 has hit this right on the mark. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

& my little easter bunny wife saw the disappointment on my face today after you guys told me i had a crappy barrel and fearing that you big mean airsoft guys would make fun of my inferior barrel she agreed to pony up a little and let me get the "good" barrel.

(YES i told her you guys made fun of my Prommy/matrix ss barrel and said it was gonna cause me to get shot a lot more.... throw in that you guys made fun of me not having enough cash to play with "big boys" and she was tapping that foot saying: just get it.)  LMAO  thanks guys!

so in the morning im gonna order the EDGI & a new 2gx bucking and then will do this again when it shows up and have something else to compare with.

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Posted 24 April 2011 - 07:08 PM

View Postsdk1968, on 24 April 2011 - 06:00 PM, said:

im sure that gcw360 has hit this right on the mark. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

& my little easter bunny wife saw the disappointment on my face today after you guys told me i had a crappy barrel and fearing that you big mean airsoft guys would make fun of my inferior barrel she agreed to pony up a little and let me get the "good" barrel.

(YES i told her you guys made fun of my Prommy/matrix ss barrel and said it was gonna cause me to get shot a lot more.... throw in that you guys made fun of me not having enough cash to play with "big boys" and she was tapping that foot saying: just get it.)  LMAO  thanks guys!

so in the morning im gonna order the EDGI & a new 2gx bucking and then will do this again when it shows up and have something else to compare with.

Ok well.. ahhh...I'm glad we could be your...excuse.  I've used the tactic before with my wife and it works well.  I hope you didn't (don't) take the feedback you received  in a negative fashion.  At the end of the day it's all meant to help...really.  There are a lot of strong opinions here and as you receive feedback remember to take it all with a "grain of salt".  Unless of course it's from Allizard, Spiggy, xKingSizex, Tweek, Veronica, Eric, Radix, or any of the various KWA staff that contribute.  They are the gospel.  :thumbsup:

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Posted 24 April 2011 - 07:18 PM

Ah! That's a good wife my friend...one that supports what you love to do  :)

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Posted 24 April 2011 - 08:22 PM

I got a 6.03 edgi from crazycromags.com.  A little over list price but only place i could find it( bought last one they had). After 1000+ rnds, no jams.  Thats where research pays off against 6.01.

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Posted 24 April 2011 - 10:45 PM

I'd like to see more people add some data to this if possible :P For as many brands and diameters as possible. My barrel is a damaged madbull6.01 so i wont be of much use until i get a new one.

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 08:00 AM

from gcw360:

I hope you didn't (don't) take the feedback you received in a negative fashion. At the end of the day it's all meant to help...really. There are a lot of strong opinions here and as you receive feedback remember to take it all with a "grain of salt".

nah bud no worries... im an admin on a firearms building forum with about 13K members full of complaints so ive got thick skin.  :-)  but i do like to have a good time in my posting..

its all good here.

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 03:42 PM

View Postsdk1968, on 25 April 2011 - 08:00 AM, said:

from gcw360:

I hope you didn't (don't) take the feedback you received in a negative fashion. At the end of the day it's all meant to help...really. There are a lot of strong opinions here and as you receive feedback remember to take it all with a "grain of salt".

nah bud no worries... im an admin on a firearms building forum with about 13K members full of complaints so ive got thick skin.  :-)  but i do like to have a good time in my posting..

its all good here.
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