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#1 dvl_mchn

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Posted 22 October 2008 - 10:43 AM

I just recieved my M4 S Tacticle yesterday and of course I am ready to upgrade it. Although it doesn't really seem to need it. I have a JBU tb, m130 spring, and a systema type 0 cylinder. What more should I do as far as upgrades? The only things I am looking for are accuracy and making the gun very reliable. I figured I would start here because you guys have been using these for a while and this is my first KWA. (Which I am very impressed with!) Thanks in advance for your help.

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Posted 22 October 2008 - 12:09 PM

If you want it to be accurate and be reliable, just stick with the TB.  All the other stuff is unnecessary.

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Posted 22 October 2008 - 01:19 PM

Remember you open the gearbox within 45 days you'll void warranty.  You really should shoot the gun stock for now.  We design our guns as pre-upgraded and most of the time no additional upgrade is needed.

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Posted 22 October 2008 - 04:47 PM

But other aftermarket upgrades do make the guns better like a TB and new bucking.

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Posted 22 October 2008 - 04:54 PM

Right, but you probably want to let the gun run a little bit before you start upgrading anything.

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Posted 22 October 2008 - 06:11 PM

I agree.

Even so, with the KWA's m4s barrels being 6.05 +/- .03mm, you could end up with a really bad barrel, so I would suggest an upgraded barrel AS SOON AS THE WARRENTY IS OVER!

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Posted 22 October 2008 - 06:56 PM

Do you guys suggest the systema hard bucking?

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Posted 23 October 2008 - 08:45 AM

View Postbrooklyn468, on Oct 22 2008, 07:11 PM, said:

I agree.

Even so, with the KWA's m4s barrels being 6.05 +/- .03mm, you could end up with a really bad barrel, so I would suggest an upgraded barrel AS SOON AS THE WARRENTY IS OVER!

On the other hand, the barrel might not be as bad as.  That's why you get familiar with the gun first then decided to spend the money or not.  Very often I just keep it stock.  In fact, it's brass barrel.  The more to use them, the better they get.  It's call micro honing.

A lot of these after market parts are gimmicks, retailers make more money selling parts and accessories.  You guys just suckered into buying them.

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Posted 23 October 2008 - 04:34 PM

View Postallizard, on Oct 23 2008, 09:45 AM, said:

On the other hand, the barrel might not be as bad as.  That's why you get familiar with the gun first then decided to spend the money or not.  Very often I just keep it stock.  In fact, it's brass barrel.  The more to use them, the better they get.  It's call micro honing.

A lot of these after market parts are gimmicks, retailers make more money selling parts and accessories.  You guys just suckered into buying them.

According to Namloot's test on ASR, the DBC didn't perform really any better after it was broken in with 5000 rounds I believe. (Which means micro honing is a myth)  I found his test hard to believe since Booligan claims that his DBCs shot like crap before broken in.  Afterward they were "Lasers" as he put it.  Micro honing makes sense to me and I would really love to see some more comparison tests.  

Try out your gun first, then add a new barrel after the warranty is over.

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Posted 24 October 2008 - 08:18 AM

Micro honing is real.  But how long it takes to see the improvement is the question.  I have read people say their TM barrel shoot much better after a year.  Then again, individual experience may vary.  I give Namloot props on doing the test.  However, he's not exactly an open minded person so I think in his mind set is already trying to fail the test.  Either way, shoot the gun stock for a while before spending anymore money is always a wiser choice.

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Posted 24 October 2008 - 10:09 AM

View Postallizard, on Oct 24 2008, 09:18 AM, said:

Micro honing is real.  But how long it takes to see the improvement is the question.  I have read people say their TM barrel shoot much better after a year.  Then again, individual experience may vary.  I give Namloot props on doing the test.  However, he's not exactly an open minded person so I think in his mind set is already trying to fail the test.  Either way, shoot the gun stock for a while before spending anymore money is always a wiser choice.

Agreed, it seems he thinks his test is the holy grail and is not considering variables.

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Posted 24 October 2008 - 01:43 PM

View Postallizard, on Oct 24 2008, 11:18 AM, said:

Micro honing is real.  But how long it takes to see the improvement is the question.  I have read people say their TM barrel shoot much better after a year.  Then again, individual experience may vary.  I give Namloot props on doing the test.  However, he's not exactly an open minded person so I think in his mind set is already trying to fail the test.  Either way, shoot the gun stock for a while before spending anymore money is always a wiser choice.

Well, said, I see your point  :)

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Posted 24 October 2008 - 04:21 PM

Buckings also have a break in period, so one must have a broken in bucking in order for a barrel comparison to be as accurate as possible.

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Posted 24 October 2008 - 06:52 PM

View PostStealthmaster14, on Oct 24 2008, 07:21 PM, said:

Buckings also have a break in period, so one must have a broken in bucking in order for a barrel comparison to be as accurate as possible.

No, I'm pretty sure that when you get a stock gun, it's bucking needs to be broken in because of the silicon that the company drenched it in, ESPECIALLY my KWA, the bucking was soaking with silicon!

You just need to shoot it a little to remove the silicon. You also could just wash it, but whatever  ;)

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Posted 24 October 2008 - 07:55 PM

That's not what I was referring to. While what you said is true, buckings do break in from what I've read. As you shoot your gun, the bbs wear in a "groove" into the bucking which makes it perform better. IDK if it is true or not, but it makes sense.




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