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KWA KM4S or ICS-26 (M4 S.I.R)


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#1 EagleZero

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Posted 17 September 2008 - 12:01 PM

I am at a standstill with these two weapons, KWA KM4S or ICS-26 (M4 S.I.R).  I definitely want one of them.  To my understanding both are somewhat equal in comparison.

* Full metal body = realism and durability
* High FPS range
* Excellent upgrade potential

My concerns are these.  I believe the KWA model has a higher FPS out of the box, which is great.  I would like to upgrade the rifle with a M4A1 Systema FTK M150 kit if possible.  I will surely get a Systema Magnum (I would rather have higher torque then higher RPM) motor and probably Systema tightbore barrel.

KWA has my eye for the moment but, can I upgrade it with this kit.  The ICS framework is used in Systema's weapons, to my knowledge.  I'm sure the kit will work with their version.

Bottom line is I want a M4 style (S preferred due to modularity) weapon with future upgrade ability.  I want the highest FPS without completely destroying the weapon (So full metal obviously).  There must be a way to use the M150 kit but, get more out of it then a few months.

I own two M4 style (real) weapons (AR15s with M4 parts minus the lower receiver, of course) but, I cant really take them out and fire at my friends.  So the idea of a high powered BB replica is a must have.  (I would get a Systema system weapon but, they are a little expensive)

Thanks for everyone's input.
Brian

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Posted 17 September 2008 - 03:35 PM

I have never heard of that Systema kit, but if it is for a version 2 gearbox, it should work. I highly reccommend the KWA, and I would give reasons, but everyone else is going to say the same stuff as me, so I'll just give it a few.

The KWA, as you said, has a higher FPS out of the box. Its gearbox is made to take stress, so if you don't want to spend the extra money on the Systema kit (I am assuming it has the special high- stress Systema gears and an m150 spring), you could just put an m150 in the gearbox, and it would be able to hold. Radix said that KWA sells some LE versions of the KM-4a1 to LE with an m150 in it, otherwise, it is entirely stock.

However, if you are into the real m-4/ar-15 disassembly, or you like the ability to do a quick spring swap, as much as I hate saying this, I think you may want to go with the ICS.

Good luck!

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Posted 17 September 2008 - 05:01 PM

View PostEagleZero, on Sep 17 2008, 01:01 PM, said:

I am at a standstill with these two weapons, KWA KM4S or ICS-26 (M4 S.I.R).  I definitely want one of them.  To my understanding both are somewhat equal in comparison.

* Full metal body = realism and durability
* High FPS range
* Excellent upgrade potential

My concerns are these.  I believe the KWA model has a higher FPS out of the box, which is great.  I would like to upgrade the rifle with a M4A1 Systema FTK M150 kit if possible.  I will surely get a Systema Magnum (I would rather have higher torque then higher RPM) motor and probably Systema tightbore barrel.

KWA has my eye for the moment but, can I upgrade it with this kit.  The ICS framework is used in Systema's weapons, to my knowledge.  I'm sure the kit will work with their version.

Bottom line is I want a M4 style (S preferred due to modularity) weapon with future upgrade ability.  I want the highest FPS without completely destroying the weapon (So full metal obviously).  There must be a way to use the M150 kit but, get more out of it then a few months.

I own two M4 style (real) weapons (AR15s with M4 parts minus the lower receiver, of course) but, I cant really take them out and fire at my friends.  So the idea of a high powered BB replica is a must have.  (I would get a Systema system weapon but, they are a little expensive)

Thanks for everyone's input.
Brian

ICS are good, but not worth it when a KWA is just a bit more money, but more bang for your buck. You come to a KWA forum where people who are pleased with their KWA's post, the answer you will get is the same, KWA > ICS, CA, TM, E1, JG, etc...

KWA can handle a M150, read this post, it should make you help you decide. The people named Radix and Allizard work for KWA, so what they say is official and not opinion.
http://www.kwausa.co...o...t=0&start=0

Go with KWA, its much better and will last you much longer than your ICS.

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Posted 17 September 2008 - 08:37 PM

Most AEGs at this level are all pretty good, you'll be happy with any of them.  However, what separates the brands is the factory warranty, availability of factory parts, and after sales support. ;)

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Posted 18 September 2008 - 03:48 PM

Since I have both I would say that if youre going to upgrade or burn money on a Systema M150 FTK, i personally would suggest the ICS, Only because the KWA is built to be  the bang for the buck in stock form and the ICS mainly has  "UPGRADE ME" written in caps when i see it in stock form. And I would prefer the ICS markings over the current KWA ones.   :rolleyes:

Bottom line is: If you want minimal upgrades with great performance and can settle with not so good markings get the KWA.


BTW: The ICS framework as you mentioned, is not the same with what systema PTWs ar using. The ICS uses the standard v3 desing and the v2  gearbox desing in two peices. Systema PTWs are diffrent from normal AEGs.
If money is not an issue, it woulde be best to get an Inokatsu kit and a systema drop in gearbox etch..

Edited by karMeister, 19 September 2008 - 03:22 AM.





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