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#1 chazdraves

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 12:44 PM

I guess that sums it up. I would like to try a GBB as a primary, and the KWA SMGs have the highest ammo capacity plus the best reputations. Is it feasable to go against AEGs with an MP7 and a few mags?

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 12:57 PM

I do it all the time. Been using the mp7 as a primary since I got
one.  Haven't used an AEG for months.  They rock.  You just have to be sensible with ammo.

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 05:20 PM

Interesting. And I'm excited to hear that. How many mags do you carry? Also, what's the coldest you've successfully used it in?

Thanks for the feedback!
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Posted 14 February 2010 - 05:44 PM

I'll be using a Mac11.

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 05:47 PM

As a primary? Wouldn't you have to be the Matrix to pull that off?

I had looked at that a bit as well, but I realy like the looks of the MP7 and the slightly-larger build. That SCAR I bought from you really whet my appetite for GBB, but I need something that can keep up with an AEG, and I don't think that was it.

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 07:33 PM

MAC 11 dumps bb's faster and is 2 pounds light er than the MP7 so you have more maneuverability. Don't get me wrong, I love my MP7 but the MAC11 is just plan faster. :gun:

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 10:36 PM

I use a mac11, I've seen people take on rifles with much less, so it's not too far fetched. It's just in your play style and tactics.  Remember, out-braining your enemies will always give you the advantage.

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Posted 15 February 2010 - 10:20 AM

View PostSpiggy, on 14 February 2010 - 10:36 PM, said:

I use a mac11, I've seen people take on rifles with much less, so it's not too far fetched. It's just in your play style and tactics.  Remember, out-braining your enemies will always give you the advantage.

I guess you have a point there, though I'm not sure if I'm capable enough to go with a 15-round pistol yet.

I know some of you are following this same thread at the other forum I posted it at, but for those of you that aren't: If I want something the size of a rifle in GBB - can you give sufficient argument to give up that requirement and just get the KWA SMG/Machine Pistol that is the MP7? I've been looking at GHK AKs, and I'm nearly sold, but...

Thanks for all the input,
- Chaz

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Posted 15 February 2010 - 10:35 AM

View Postchazdraves, on 15 February 2010 - 10:20 AM, said:

I guess you have a point there, though I'm not sure if I'm capable enough to go with a 15-round pistol yet.

I know some of you are following this same thread at the other forum I posted it at, but for those of you that aren't: If I want something the size of a rifle in GBB - can you give sufficient argument to give up that requirement and just get the KWA SMG/Machine Pistol that is the MP7? I've been looking at GHK AKs, and I'm nearly sold, but...

Thanks for all the input,
- Chaz
Sure, here are the reasons I can think of off the top of my head for the MP7

Between 380-400 FPS (that's mine yours may be different)
17+ RPS
40 round clips
Compact and lighter than AEG
Imposing sound when firing
If your clip is filled with gas, you've got power - No battery to die in mid-battle
No wires/connectors to fail or fuse to blow
Plenty accurate out past 100ft
Awesome realistic look and feel
Recoil
Trades
Solid build
Upgrades in the works
Fun to fire!!!!!

These are just the pros but you didn't ask for cons. :gun:

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Posted 15 February 2010 - 10:51 AM

I was concerned about a GBB freezing up on me but yesterday I used my MP7 for the first time in the snow. I had no problems except that I didn't have any spare mags!!! I just kept two pistols on me and a small tank of propane. I'm GBB'd out!!!! I don't use AEG's (i.e., sewing machines) anymore. The capacity tradeoff is worth it and plus its more realistic to have only 40 or so rounds instead 500!!! :innocent:

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Posted 15 February 2010 - 11:43 AM

View Postchazdraves, on 15 February 2010 - 10:20 AM, said:

I guess you have a point there, though I'm not sure if I'm capable enough to go with a 15-round pistol yet.

I know some of you are following this same thread at the other forum I posted it at, but for those of you that aren't: If I want something the size of a rifle in GBB - can you give sufficient argument to give up that requirement and just get the KWA SMG/Machine Pistol that is the MP7? I've been looking at GHK AKs, and I'm nearly sold, but...

Thanks for all the input,
- Chaz
I've got one of those AK's, it's fun and loud, but automatic isn't very reliable as my mags tend to freeze over within 20 rounds.  Also, I put in about $200 in parts, plus a donor VFC AK... Still a neat novelty. I like the thing, but it's not something I would bet my life on.   <_< I have a steel sear set to purchase from Justin (DaytonaGun).

If you're willing to sit back and wait, the KMP9 is due for march release announcement, and it has a near 50 round magazine.  Smaller platform, but it's the same violent engine as the MP7.  Also in my opinion, much friendlier to handle over the brick of a MP7.  Or if you wanna bear with us on the long haul. The LM4 is due for release, a Civilian-Legal version will be available soon after it.

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Posted 15 February 2010 - 12:00 PM

View Postjotohomomoto, on 15 February 2010 - 10:51 AM, said:

I was concerned about a GBB freezing up on me but yesterday I used my MP7 for the first time in the snow. I had no problems except that I didn't have any spare mags!!! I just kept two pistols on me and a small tank of propane. I'm GBB'd out!!!! I don't use AEG's (i.e., sewing machines) anymore. The capacity tradeoff is worth it and plus its more realistic to have only 40 or so rounds instead 500!!! :innocent:

I hear you there!

The GHK I mentioned is a GBB AK. I think I've had my time with AEGs.

You mentioned snow - how cold was it? I'm from MN and we regularly play in 0F (not Celsius, mind you). With a hand warmer or something, can these take the cold?

EDIT:

Great to hear from experience, Spiggy. Let's put it this way: I want GBB, I want a primary, I don't mind maintenance, but I don't want breakages, I can't wait another day - is the MP7 my best bet despite it's small size?

Thanks for all your time, guys!
- Chaz

- Chaz

Edited by chazdraves, 15 February 2010 - 12:06 PM.


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Posted 15 February 2010 - 12:09 PM

View PostSpiggy, on 15 February 2010 - 11:43 AM, said:

I've got one of those AK's, it's fun and loud, but automatic isn't very reliable as my mags tend to freeze over within 20 rounds. Also, I put in about $200 in parts, plus a donor VFC AK... Still a neat novelty. I like the thing, but it's not something I would bet my life on. <_< I have a steel sear set to purchase from Justin (DaytonaGun).

If you're willing to sit back and wait, the KMP9 is due for march release announcement, and it has a near 50 round magazine. Smaller platform, but it's the same violent engine as the MP7. Also in my opinion, much friendlier to handle over the brick of a MP7. Or if you wanna bear with us on the long haul. The LM4 is due for release, a Civilian-Legal version will be available soon after it.
LM4 OOOOoooo!:dribble:

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Posted 15 February 2010 - 12:45 PM

View Postchazdraves, on 15 February 2010 - 12:00 PM, said:

I hear you there!

The GHK I mentioned is a GBB AK. I think I've had my time with AEGs.

You mentioned snow - how cold was it? I'm from MN and we regularly play in 0F (not Celsius, mind you). With a hand warmer or something, can these take the cold?

EDIT:

Great to hear from experience, Spiggy. Let's put it this way: I want GBB, I want a primary, I don't mind maintenance, but I don't want breakages, I can't wait another day - is the MP7 my best bet despite it's small size?

Thanks for all your time, guys!
- Chaz

- Chaz
I don't know your play style or tactics, I can not make that determination for you.  But for sure, your weather will not allow you to use any contemporary gas gun (particularly that of a gas consuming rifle.)

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Posted 15 February 2010 - 12:56 PM

View Postchazdraves, on 15 February 2010 - 12:00 PM, said:

I hear you there!

The GHK I mentioned is a GBB AK. I think I've had my time with AEGs.

You mentioned snow - how cold was it? I'm from MN and we regularly play in 0F (not Celsius, mind you). With a hand warmer or something, can these take the cold?

EDIT:

Great to hear from experience, Spiggy. Let's put it this way: I want GBB, I want a primary, I don't mind maintenance, but I don't want breakages, I can't wait another day - is the MP7 my best bet despite it's small size?

Thanks for all your time, guys!
- Chaz

- Chaz

Like Spiggy wrote, you will be very limited in MN. Great for the warm weather but not the cold. :gun:

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Posted 15 February 2010 - 02:06 PM

View Postgcw360, on 15 February 2010 - 12:56 PM, said:

Like Spiggy wrote, you will be very limited in MN. Great for the warm weather but not the cold. :gun:

I use it as my Primary. I have a KWA MP7 (5 mags) and a KWA P226 (3 mags). It is the only gun I haven't sold yet. I sold my SR12 over this MP7...o...I think that says a lot right there ROFL. Anyway I plan on getting 2 more mag for the mp7 maybe short mag or 2 more long ones. Then maybe the HV kit KWA will release...(the bolt I guess) idk...other than that maybe a [barrel extension] to make it look cool. Lol

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Posted 15 February 2010 - 03:05 PM

View Postgcw360, on 15 February 2010 - 12:56 PM, said:

Like Spiggy wrote, you will be very limited in MN. Great for the warm weather but not the cold. :gun:

Yeah, the more I've been going over it, the more I think I should just stick with my G36c for the time being. At least until it warms up...

- Chaz

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Posted 15 February 2010 - 04:23 PM

I'm in North Carolina where we had a freak snow. I guess it wasn't THAT cold but there was still snow on the ground (around 35F) Lets just say the MP7 performed a lot better than I expected. I was outside for a while.

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Posted 17 February 2010 - 02:16 PM

The KWA MP7 has very little recoil. When shouldered, you barely feel it. Not necessarily a bad thing as the lack of recoil translates to better shot groupings.

Range wise, you can go toe to toe against AEGs. Accuracy wise...past 100 feet, the gun acts like a typical KWA GBB pistol. The thing I didn't like about the KWA MP7 is that I was not able to tune the hop perfectly (to where it sails up some and then drops in the end). One click to the left and its too much, one click to the right and its not quite enough (or vise versa). If you're engaging people at 150+ feet....full auto is your friend. There is no such thing as a consistent one shot, one kill with zero wind with the KWA MP7.

Another thing with the KWA MP7 is that its not very comfortable to hold. It digs into my thumb's "knuckle"...same goes for the KWA M11.

Looking at the KWA TP9, the ergonomics on it looks like a winner. I was way close to purchasing the KSC version...but I decided to wait for t KWA version as the KSC TP9 uses the old school Hard Kick system.

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Budgetwise, a KWA M11 can be had for around $140 (with spare magazines available at $40 a piece). KWA MP7 runs around $255 (with extra high-er capacity magazines selling for $45-50 a piece). IMO, the KWA M11 has better recoil and is a much better buy than the MP7 .For $260 you can get an M11 with a total of 4 magazine as opposed to spending $255 for the MP7 with just one magazine. In the end it will be personal preference.

I am curious about KWA's Gas Blowback M4's. The WA Hardkick System and WE's Escort system are too finicky for me and requires too much maintenance. The parts suffer from obvious wear and tear after only a couple of hundred rounds. So far, only one other company that makes GBB M4 rifles has done me right. Virtually zero maintenance (aside from cleaning the barrel/hop bucking), offers AEG accuracy and virtually AEG reliability. Recoil is half or more of the WA and WE system, but with the tradeoff of reliability, precision, and accuracy...I can live with the lower felt recoil.

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Posted 18 February 2010 - 11:45 AM

Correction on the WE gas system.  It's not Escort.  FAR from it.   Our man Spiggy here have a direct line to Mr. Tawada in Japan.  (Escort)  Spiggy himself is a long time Escort gun user and he knows their gas system extremely well.




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