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#1 karMeister

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 05:58 AM

Whats the systema ratio equivalent to the KWA gears sold here?  

http://store.kwausa....lock-1-2-1.aspx


Im guessing an m150 is too much for the 9mm and 8mm Bearing bushings.

Edited by karMeister, 17 July 2008 - 08:11 AM.


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Posted 17 July 2008 - 08:51 PM

View PostkarMeister, on Jul 17 2008, 06:58 AM, said:

Whats the systema ratio equivalent to the KWA gears sold here?  

http://store.kwausa....lock-1-2-1.aspx


Im guessing an m150 is too much for the 9mm and 8mm Bearing bushings.

heh?!  LE version of KWA are already shooting M150 spring.

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 11:56 PM

View Postallizard, on Jul 17 2008, 08:51 PM, said:

heh?!  LE version of KWA are already shooting M150 spring.


With the same bearing bushings?  :rolleyes:

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 07:55 AM

View PostkarMeister, on Jul 18 2008, 12:56 AM, said:

With the same bearing bushings?  :rolleyes:

yes... everything in the gearbox is the same.  Just different spring.

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 08:37 AM

View Postallizard, on Jul 18 2008, 07:55 AM, said:

yes... everything in the gearbox is the same.  Just different spring.

youve got to be kidding me!  same gears, Piston body and bearing bushings can handle m150? WOW ive got a beast in my hands!

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 09:09 AM

View PostkarMeister, on Jul 18 2008, 09:37 AM, said:

youve got to be kidding me!  same gears, Piston body and bearing bushings can handle m150? WOW ive got a beast in my hands!

When I first wrote a review of KWA M4A1.  Most people think it's just a another gearbox.  But when you look deeply in the over all design.  This gearbox is engineer to withstand very high stress.  That's why I said it's the best bang for the buck.  The amount of money you spend on the Systema m150 Drop in gearbox. You should have just buy KWA M4A1 instead.

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 10:46 PM

just curious, why do u want a m150 in it?

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Posted 19 July 2008 - 06:03 PM

View Postgrimrapper, on Jul 18 2008, 10:46 PM, said:

just curious, why do u want a m150 in it?


From where Im from an m150 or 500+ FPS is average on regular games (it obviously gets from point A to B faster ). Most tourneys only allow 450fps max (except snipers) but there are CQB tounaments  that have open FPS ,yes 600+,  semi only... This is a vid of an open FPS game. Broadsword play dead parts ar cheesy wahhaha!

This is OPSC :  OPSC

Unless youre in an fps specific tourney.. unless your team has very good tactics ... people will laugh at your 400fps gun.

Edited by karMeister, 19 July 2008 - 06:22 PM.


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Posted 19 July 2008 - 06:05 PM

View Postallizard, on Jul 18 2008, 09:09 AM, said:

When I first wrote a review of KWA M4A1.  Most people think it's just a another gearbox.  But when you look deeply in the over all design.  This gearbox is engineer to withstand very high stress.  That's why I said it's the best bang for the buck.  The amount of money you spend on the Systema m150 Drop in gearbox. You should have just buy KWA M4A1 instead.


Lol youre right. I didnt buy that "drop in gearbox" they sell hehe Id rather come up with my own setup. (everyone has his fave internal combo... compression etch..). After I upgraded my TM... the only thing thats left (thats TM) was the outer barrel and the trigger... hehehehe!

Edited by karMeister, 19 July 2008 - 06:08 PM.


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Posted 20 July 2008 - 05:29 PM

whats an LE version..

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Posted 20 July 2008 - 06:19 PM

View PostkarMeister, on Jul 19 2008, 08:03 PM, said:

From where Im from an m150 or 500+ FPS is average on regular games (it obviously gets from point A to B faster ). Most tourneys only allow 450fps max (except snipers) but there are CQB tounaments  that have open FPS ,yes 600+,  semi only... This is a vid of an open FPS game. Broadsword play dead parts ar cheesy wahhaha!

This is OPSC :  OPSC

Unless youre in an fps specific tourney.. unless your team has very good tactics ... people will laugh at your 400fps gun.

i know this is getting a little off topic but where are those events held?

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Posted 20 July 2008 - 06:29 PM

View Posthammer, on Jul 20 2008, 06:29 PM, said:

whats an LE version..
LE as in "Law Enforcement" right Allizard? I think thats what LE is  :huh:

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Posted 20 July 2008 - 06:45 PM

That is correct.   KWA sell guns to normal consumer market and LE professional market.

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Posted 20 July 2008 - 10:19 PM

View Postallizard, on Jul 20 2008, 06:45 PM, said:

That is correct.   KWA sell guns to normal consumer market and LE professional market.


Im guessing the LE version is =  Systema PTW? Real steel ratio? (rails etch)
Ive never seen a KWA LE.

I have a regular sp150 setup and I change the 6mm metal bushings every 30k rounds. 6 years of airsoft experience and trying diff setups tell me that 6/7mm bearig  bushings break faster than 6/7mm metal bushings. I have never tried 8/9mm bearing bushings.  Its hard to believe that the LE uses the same internals (but the sping). but if allizard says it is... it prob is  :rolleyes:  wonder how long one will last?

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 12:01 AM

makes me wonder too how long the internals will last with an M150 spring. planning to go m130,,

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 12:26 AM

View Posthammer, on Jul 22 2008, 12:01 AM, said:

makes me wonder too how long the internals will last with an M150 spring. planning to go m130,,


m150 wit stock KWA internals?  

worst scenario : Ball bearing bushings give way breaking the gears, pinion, and piston body...
1st runner up: gears give too much resistance... motor burns
2nd runner up: Piston body rips ( consider this as a good result since a deepfire piston body only costs 35USD)  

Best thing that could happen is when your internals hold and your gearbox shows a hairline after 150k rounds.

M130 would be ok. I was wondering what the KWA stock "hi torque gears"'s  ratio equivalent with a Prom or systema set?

Edited by karMeister, 22 July 2008 - 12:30 AM.





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