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Posted 19 September 2009 - 07:31 AM

I realize this is a KWA forum, but I can't seem to find what I'm looking for. I own 2 KWA GBB's and I would not buy anything else when it comes to GBBs! I'm looking for a G36C and I'm obviously torn between KWA and TM's version. I'm not asking which one I should get, I'm asking those who have handled and fired both the pros and cons of each. Keep in mind firing velocity/FPS is not a selling point for me. So has anyone here had extensive exposure to both guns?

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 01:38 PM

View PostStarkweather, on 19 September 2009 - 07:31 AM, said:

I realize this is a KWA forum, but I can't seem to find what I'm looking for. I own 2 KWA GBB's and I would not buy anything else when it comes to GBBs! I'm looking for a G36C and I'm obviously torn between KWA and TM's version. I'm not asking which one I should get, I'm asking those who have handled and fired both the pros and cons of each. Keep in mind firing velocity/FPS is not a selling point for me. So has anyone here had extensive exposure to both guns?

I haven't had extensive exposure, but I can offer a few comments based on having read reviews on both guns and owning a KG36C. Externally, both guns are solid (mine came with a tiiiiiiiny bit of stock wobble, but it disappeared after a week), and it definitely won't be an external feature that convinces you to buy the gun. Internally, KWA is the greater by far. Just read all the threads about the 2GX gearboxes featured in the KWA armalites and you'll see the comparable level of effort that was put into the G36C gearbox. Left in its stock form, the KWA will be guaranteed to last much longer than the Tokyo Marui, if not twice as long. Another nice thing about the KWA is the motor, which gives me a very nice RoF (I haven't measured it exactly yet) even with an 8.4v 3600maH Intellect battery (note that even though the G36C features a large handguard for large batteries, using this one will force you to modify either the inside of the foregrip or the wires to accomodate it. No matter what I tried, it just wouldn't fit at first). The tokyo marui generally retails for about 350 USD, while the KWA goes for about 265. The 100 dollar difference is almost ALL brand-name, and even THAT'S cutting it close, because as far as I am concerned, the KWA name should be regarded more highly than Tokyo Marui. Last but not least, I know that you said FPS is not a factor in deciding, but I just wanted to point out that that the KWA's inherently higher FPS will allow the use of higher weight BBs, therefore giving better accuracy and increasing effective range. And maybe it's just me, but I always feel better knowing I'd have to downgrade my gun for a CQB arena, rather than having to upgrade it for an outdoors field.

Good luck with choosing.  :turned:

EDIT: Oh, and by the way, seeing as how this is a KWA forum, you can expect pretty much everyone else here to basically say what I just said. A better source of comparison information would probably be the reviews on both guns that you can just google up. There are many detailed ones on both guns out there.

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 04:24 PM

View PostRebelRising, on 20 September 2009 - 01:38 PM, said:

I haven't had extensive exposure, but I can offer a few comments based on having read reviews on both guns and owning a KG36C. Externally, both guns are solid (mine came with a tiiiiiiiny bit of stock wobble, but it disappeared after a week), and it definitely won't be an external feature that convinces you to buy the gun. Internally, KWA is the greater by far. Just read all the threads about the 2GX gearboxes featured in the KWA armalites and you'll see the comparable level of effort that was put into the G36C gearbox. Left in its stock form, the KWA will be guaranteed to last much longer than the Tokyo Marui, if not twice as long. Another nice thing about the KWA is the motor, which gives me a very nice RoF (I haven't measured it exactly yet) even with an 8.4v 3600maH Intellect battery (note that even though the G36C features a large handguard for large batteries, using this one will force you to modify either the inside of the foregrip or the wires to accomodate it. No matter what I tried, it just wouldn't fit at first). The tokyo marui generally retails for about 350 USD, while the KWA goes for about 265. The 100 dollar difference is almost ALL brand-name, and even THAT'S cutting it close, because as far as I am concerned, the KWA name should be regarded more highly than Tokyo Marui. Last but not least, I know that you said FPS is not a factor in deciding, but I just wanted to point out that that the KWA's inherently higher FPS will allow the use of higher weight BBs, therefore giving better accuracy and increasing effective range. And maybe it's just me, but I always feel better knowing I'd have to downgrade my gun for a CQB arena, rather than having to upgrade it for an outdoors field.

Good luck with choosing.  :turned:

Actually I will have to disagree with you on the gearbox lasting longer. TM's last forever, and the tolerences are amazing. However being a KWA fan as well, I must admit I am impressed with the gearbox design in the 2gx. I use .25 ammo in all my stock TM's, including my AEPs and the range and accuracy is tremendous. Of course the KWA will make the shots get their quicker! It's still a toss up, and I'd be happy with either gun. Price-wise, they are the same...not sure where you got 350 bucks from.

EDIT: Oh, and by the way, seeing as how this is a KWA forum, you can expect pretty much everyone else here to basically say what I just said. A better source of comparison information would probably be the reviews on both guns that you can just google up. There are many detailed ones on both guns out there.


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Posted 20 September 2009 - 04:28 PM

Ah, I see you are right about the price. RedWolf told me otherwise! xD Sorry about that.

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 05:00 PM

Well I have been exposed just once to a TM G36C and I have to say the plastic they use is textured a little better than the Kwa but its not that big of a difference.  As with the TM G36C gearbox, it doesn't sound as smooth and you will get a little bit more vibration cause I can noticably feel the virbations at the pistol grip.  Whereas for the Kwa G36C, its gearbox is very smooth and has very little vibration but the MAJOR difference is the sound of the motors.  The Kwa motor is quite loud if you run a low power battery such as a 9.6 or 8.4 but, we put in the dude's lipo and wow, the volume of the motor when down a lot and I really don't know why that happens... The TM motor seems to just zip but the response time is a lot different.  Of course we are using a lipo but its a m120 spring vs like a M100 or something for the TM.  I've heard a TM G36c use a 9.6v and compared to the Kwa G36c, they are about the same but a slight difference.  Of course the handguards are different but another thing I would like to mention is the guy I fired the G36c from TM told me his G36c only came with a midcap.  So yeah... Also the folding stock on the Kwa G36c I gotta say is very stiff and so is the TM so there is no difference there at all.  Internally I would like to say that I heavily disagree with the statement that TM gearboxes last forever cause I've see people who have ran an M120 inside the G36c and got stress cracks but with the Kwa G36c, the thing is pretty much a brick and the gears are even heat treated whereas the gears of the TM aren't at all.  Its pretty much overpriced Japanese plastic and brand name your paying for.  Other than that you have nothing else to root for.  I've seen people give aw to a TM but when somebody yells there's a kwa on the field, people just get plain scared.  :thumbsup: except for when somebody shouts there is a 50 rps TM P90 on the field... thats just not a joke and uh... somebody call 911 we need to have paramedics on the field to help peeps with "I JUST GOT PWNZORED" disease but the same can be said by someone with a Kwa KM4 running a high speed set just hurts like a YOUUUCH!!!!!!  Hope this helped.   :icecream:

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 05:59 PM

What I meant by TM gearboxes lasting forever was at their stock power level. All the parts in a TM gearbox are designed to work in perfect concert at their stock power level. And cracked gearboxes are usually version 2...once you try upping the spring. Being a G36C thats obviously not an issue with a version 3. However with the KWA they are beefed up enough to handle the level they shoot at as well. Basically I've gotten the same here as everywhere else...for me a stalemate. I love both guns. Not sure why anyone would "run scared" if there is a TM or KWA on the field, unless someone got past the chrono at your field and is shooting too hot a gun?

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 06:32 PM

View PostStarkweather, on 20 September 2009 - 05:59 PM, said:

What I meant by TM gearboxes lasting forever was at their stock power level. All the parts in a TM gearbox are designed to work in perfect concert at their stock power level. And cracked gearboxes are usually version 2...once you try upping the spring. Being a G36C thats obviously not an issue with a version 3. However with the KWA they are beefed up enough to handle the level they shoot at as well. Basically I've gotten the same here as everywhere else...for me a stalemate. I love both guns. Not sure why anyone would "run scared" if there is a TM or KWA on the field, unless someone got past the chrono at your field and is shooting too hot a gun?
The stress crack I was refering to wasn't a version 2 it was one straight out of a G36c and yes it really was a v3 and the guy probably had a some major mods he did to cause that crack and yeah your right, it is odd to see a crack in a version 3 gearbox but hey shitaki mushrooms happen.  Lol it was the RPS that got some people scared lol cause well I have never seen a field with RPS restrictions and obviously ours doesn't have one either.

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Posted 21 September 2009 - 01:50 PM

View PostWintersx866, on 20 September 2009 - 06:32 PM, said:

The stress crack I was refering to wasn't a version 2 it was one straight out of a G36c and yes it really was a v3 and the guy probably had a some major mods he did to cause that crack and yeah your right, it is odd to see a crack in a version 3 gearbox but hey shitaki mushrooms happen.  Lol it was the RPS that got some people scared lol cause well I have never seen a field with RPS restrictions and obviously ours doesn't have one either.


"shitaki mushrooms happen" priceless!!!

I have seen a few whacked out RPS upgrades (seems like everyone does them to TM P90's) and some of these guys must rip through bags of bbs like it was water.

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Posted 21 September 2009 - 04:54 PM

View PostStarkweather, on 21 September 2009 - 01:50 PM, said:

"shitaki mushrooms happen" priceless!!!

I have seen a few whacked out RPS upgrades (seems like everyone does them to TM P90's) and some of these guys must rip through bags of bbs like it was water.
Lol glad to hear you had a laugh!  Yeah the thing is I don't get whats with fire rate, its just a bb fountain.

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 07:39 PM

My friend knows nothing about airsoft, but he likes guns and specifically the G36c is his favorite. He also tends to break things pretty easily, so when he asked me to find him a good gun and battery setup, I turned to KWA. I have never owned a KWA, (well I have a KP .45 but no kwa AEGs) He had a huge stash of birthday and christmas money, so I had him get the KWA G36C, Intellect 9.6v battery,smart charger(he would blow up any other battery with a wall charger) and a bunch of BBs. He has yet to break the gun. It is so sturdy. Its incredible. People bash on the KWA because is only ABS, no polymer stuff, but It is just as externally sturdy as any CA I have seen.(CA has better texture than finish than all though). The ROF is insane, and at 380 or 390fps whatever it is, that is intimidating. The gun just sounds cool! It has a little kick almost. Its weird. Its not a recoil, but you can feel the gun cycle. Internally, I'm blown away. TMs last forver if you leave them stock(or close too). KWAs last forever and come with better proformance then I've ever seen out of a TM, upgraded or not...


I am continually blown away by KWA. The SR10 and 12 are so nice looking. And 9mm berring? WOW!!! My point is that KWAs bullet proof. I own TMs myself, and I am not biased in any way. I am always listening and reading about EVERY brand, not just the cool ones.


The only thing that I worry about is that I hear hop up buckings are not compatible. Is this true? Or is that just on the AR series? Has this been adressed in 2009 models?

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 08:27 AM

Compatibility is a relative term.   If you mean EVERYTHING out in the aftermarket then it's a no.  Our hop-up unit inner diameter is a tad bit smaller so it's picky with bucking.  When the aftermarket bucking is too thick then obviously don't fit.  That said... our 2G bucking have been proven to be one of the best bucking in the market. There is really no reason to use something else.

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Posted 01 January 2010 - 07:56 AM

Well I decided. And I got the KWA. The fit, finish, feel, and performance of this thing is unparalelled. I got to shoot one recently and that put me over the top. This gun is amazing!

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Posted 01 January 2010 - 02:31 PM

View PostStarkweather, on 01 January 2010 - 07:56 AM, said:

Well I decided. And I got the KWA. The fit, finish, feel, and performance of this thing is unparalelled. I got to shoot one recently and that put me over the top. This gun is amazing!


That wasnt anywhere near hard was it?:spell: hehe!

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Posted 01 January 2010 - 02:46 PM

View PostStarkweather, on 01 January 2010 - 07:56 AM, said:

Well I decided. And I got the KWA. The fit, finish, feel, and performance of this thing is unparalelled. I got to shoot one recently and that put me over the top. This gun is amazing!
Congratulations on your wise decision.:gun:

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Posted 02 January 2010 - 11:56 PM

Gratz!!  KG36c is an awesome gun.  I would use it more often if I don't need to be using M4 for skirmish.

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Posted 03 January 2010 - 02:16 PM

KWA G36c is the best G36c on the market. TM makes great guns to but their FPS is sad. The euros like them though (Cap FPS) LOL




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