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#1 StealthTaskForce

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Posted 08 July 2014 - 06:52 PM

Tonight I was looking at the four different Mark Series 1911's, and I was wondering what all the differences were, and what the best one to buy would be, speaking on performance. I noticed that the MKII and MKIV are the only two that have Picatinny rails to attach things too, and only the MKII doesn't have the guide rode extend. Just from the pictures on Evike. Not sure if that is the case or not, but it looks like it's the only one that doesn't have the guide rod extended when the slide is racked back. If there isn't a difference in performance, I guess it just comes down to curiosity and wanting to know the differences as I can't really see too many :laugh:

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 08:23 AM

I think all of the MK series are limited to exterior differences only

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 05:42 PM

The MK1 and MK2 are modeled after kimber 1911s. And the MK3 and MK4 are modeled after springfield armory 1911s. As for the shooting performance they all the same. So get the one you like the look of the most.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:18 PM

The Mark I is a Kimber clone, not a M1911 (the Army pistol).

Goofy Kimber ski jump rear sight, long trigger, full length recoil spring guide, and front cooling fins (only a fool would put his fingers that close to the muzzle to move the slide).

But these are styling gimmicks.  Performs just fine as a M1911.  I have one 'cuz the price was right.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 08:16 PM

Alright so then the MKIII and MKIV are the M1911?


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Posted 10 July 2014 - 03:00 AM

All these are "modern" M1911 replicas.  But none match the actual (USGI) M1911 or M1911A1 service pistol.  The design passed into public domain the second the US government purchased the plan.  Anyone with a good CNC mill can make one -- and everyone does, even SIG and Ruger!

I believe KWA has/had/will have a "real" M1911 replica but the Mark-series is good place to start.  No one I know carries a USGI-type M1911, but many of us carry the modernized version with the beaver tail grip safety, larger and ambdextrous safety lock, and decent sights.  The mark series has all these.  Two versions have a rail.  Take your choice.

Springfield Armory is a commercial manufaturer in Springfield, Illinois, not the former USG arsenal by the same name in MA.  They make an excellent full series of M1911 pistols running from their USGI M1911A1 reproduction to full custom shop versions bumping the $3000 price range.

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Edited by Chuck S, 10 July 2014 - 03:05 AM.


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Posted 07 November 2015 - 04:42 AM

Hey Chuck the current Springfield Armory 1911 still has the IMBEL frames ?

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Posted 07 November 2015 - 10:02 AM

Imbel is a top tier forge shop in Brazil.  To my knowledge they make the forged blanks for Springfield Armory (Inc) M1911-series pistol slides and frames and some complete pistols at the lower end of the price range which Springfield imports and labels but which are Imbel pistols.

This is one I owned for a few years and remain sorry I sold.  Don't worry, I still have 4 (or is 6 or 7? ;) ) M1911s.  It's a slightly modified (tossed a full length recoil spring guide, short trigger, and thin grips are probably the only changes) Springfield Loaded Parkerized model in .45ACP.  Blow up the photo and you can read "Made in Brazil - Imbel" by the serial number on the slide.  Inbel got into making the M1911 after WW2.

Brazil allied with the Allied Powers in WW2 and for expediency was fully armed and equipped by the USArmy.  I believe the Brazilian expeditionary force was a single regiment and pretty easy to equip and arm.  After WW2 the Brazil Army kept the M1911 design as their issue pistol and started building M1911 pistols in .45 ACP.  Imbel is or was, I believe, a state arsenal.  It gets interesting here.

When NATO standardized calibers Brazil, although not a NATO member, transitioned to NATO calibers.  Unlike the USArmy which had to be dragged kicking and screaming into 9mm pistols Brazil took the evolutionary step of producing the M1911 for their Army in 9mm.  Springfield Armory (Inc) continues to offer this design. When Brazil decided to modernize their military pistols they bought the Beretta design similar to the current USArmy M9 but single action with a frame safety like the M1911.  Beretta built a plant in Brazil for this purpose.  Taurus continues to produce this design as they bought the factory and design from Beretta.  The M1911 forging dies were retained by Inbel and are still in use.

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Posted 07 November 2015 - 01:19 PM

I am Brazilian and I live in Brazil. I shot a lot already with the weapons of IMBEL.

Aside from forging the rest of the internal parts are very bad. IMBEL weapons are common coming new factory does not work and must undergo a gunsmith.

Unfortunately along with the other filth of TAURUS, they are the only weapons allowed in Brazil by the army in gauges up 380ACP for self defense.

For sport are allowed 45ACP and .40S & W.

The military used the Taurus PT92, one (poor) clone of the Beretta 92 most older versions without the decocker.

The army uses a few lots of IMBEL 1911 in 9mm that were purchased to replace the older Taurus.

But remember correctly the Air Force uses some 92 Taurus latest.




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