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#1 Boeruine

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 07:19 AM

So I'm a military guy who also shoots 3 Gun and I am looking to start using airsoft to round out my training regimen. Between the hour drive to my local range and the cost of 5.56 I need to find a more effective method. At my current assignment we also don't get the range time I am used to from the past 6 years (where I was shooting about 40-50k rounds a year).

I have heard great things about the LM4 being about as close to real steel as it gets. My big question is for someone who is unfamiliar with actual airsoft weapons am I better off buying the airsoft branded rails or using what I have? Specifically right now on my "work gun I have a 13" VTAC rail. I had been planning on replacing it with the Centurion Arms CMR rail and moving the VTAC rail to an LM4... But it sounds like I would need to rethread the receiver to mount the real steel VTAC? Am I better off buying the Madbull version of the VTAC to mount?

My 3 Gun rifle is a JP CTR-02, and searching around there doesn't seem to be much of similarity to the setup that I am running on that, so I'll stick to my work rifle for the time being.

Also are there any out of box modifications that I should look into purchasing to get the LM4 up to speed for use as a training tool? Any info is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 08:48 AM

Training is the reason I got into airsoft.  Same driving, range, and ammo hassles you mention.

Here's my LM4 pictured with my working carbine (a LWRC M6A1).  I hang very little on the rails (there's a light on the other side).  M68 COO (Aimpoint CompM4) on both guns.

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Only modifications to the LM4 are the sights, railed handguard, and the law enforcement/training high power bolt inside.  Both guns wear M16A1 pistol grips.  Both systems do well.  I don't shoot three-gun or other events but like to remain current with my carbine skills.  I can shoot a couple hundred rounds off my patio every night after getting home for hardly any expense.

None of the airsoft guns completely mimic the M16-system as there's no extractor.  It's possible to double charge the gun and try to cram two BBs into the chamber which then often jams the gun.  Green gas gets expensive too.

LM4 magazines are heavy empty or loaded.  You'll need a good loader.

If you don't need the bolt simulation the RM4 has some mind recoil that disturbs the sights just enough to require good follow thru. Since it's electric there's no green gas expense.

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 10:37 AM

My advice would be to go try it out at an airsoft store, see if you like it. I'm in the same boat as you guys, dont know how much I've spent on 5.56 and handgun ammo it gets really expensive. I usually spend half a day or longer at the range cause its pretty far from where i live. If you do decide on the lm4 and pick up some rails, pts is coming out with cmr rails which I'm waiting on myself to match my lmt rifle.


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Posted 20 April 2014 - 04:46 PM

Welcome to the forums brother. There are quite a few of us on here that use our LM4s for training purposes. You can use AR barrel nuts on the LM4 but you have to torque it on so that it reshapes the threads on the receiver. A happy medium might be trying to source a Madbull VTAC barrel nut and mounting your old rail to that. Many stores sell Madbull barrel nuts a la carte. Just make sure you don't get the G&P spec'ed nut.

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 12:44 PM

Is anyone able to point me toward Akira or Boobies YouTube videos that are referenced in other threads? Ordered my LM4 today. Looking forward to trying her out next weekend.

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 02:26 PM

I can't seem to find Akira's channel but here's a link to Boobie's: https://www.youtube....oobiem4h/videos

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 03:49 PM

I modified the externals of my LM4 to match my work M4 as close as I could. The only difference are optics and barrel length. It's the sh*t! I was always one of the best long gun shooters on the team now no one can touch me. Smooth, fast, and accurate. I have been neglecting my transitions and mag changes but working on that now. My gift to myself for my birthday or Christmas will be a Mega-Arms.

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Posted 22 April 2014 - 03:37 PM

So my LM4 came in this afternoon thanks to Amazon Prime. Now comes the wait for all the secondary stuff that wasn't available on Amazon. The big thing obviously being the Madbull VTAC rail to match my current real steel setup, as well as a bunch of other furniture swapping.

Is there anything else specific that I should get swapped out while it is still new, or should I just kick the tires in a bit and see how she runs? I know most people seem to think the EVO II maple leaf hop-up is a good thing to do, are there any other major performances modifications that I should be making or swapping parts for? Are there any parts that tend to wear fairly fast that I should order and have on hand for replacement?

Last thing is replacing some of the stock parts with metal parts. I think I remember reading that there are some parts that will drop right in, is this correct? Is it the steel parts for the WE M4 parts that are interchangeable (mag catch, trigger, fire selector etc)?

Finally does anyone have any info on the RA-Tech NPAS adjustable bolt? I plan on playing indoors as well as in the back yard later on down the road and this seems like it would make velocity adjustment fairly easy for indoor use. Is it worth the money, or are there better/easier ways to adjust FPS. I'm an old school paintballer and all you had to worry about with that was tank and valve settings... so this is foreign.

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Posted 27 April 2014 - 06:20 PM

I didn't know there was a high power bolt that was avaliable.  I'd like to get my hands on one of those to make it more training centric :)

I have the LM4 and the ATP to replicate my AR and my M17.  Great stuff and excellenty designed.  Infact I can do draw and presentation drills in my barracks room with no issues.  I can come home from work and "relax" by firing a hundred rounds or so using a timer and a cardboard shilloute cutout.  Drawing from concealment and performing "on the clock magazine" changes.

It's helped me keep my training up since they stuck me back in the barracks and moved me to California.

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 02:46 AM

Contact KWA directly regarding the military/LEO high power training bolt [carrier group].  I believe this is limited distribution.

Should give you about 390fps (2.2j) with 0.32g BBs from the stock KWA barrel -- about the same velocity the standard gun pushes 0.20g BBs.  Probably some increased velocity from a tighter barrel.  Note the energy level of 2.2j far exceeds most "playing" field limitations.  I have a tight barrel for mine but the gun shoots so well I'm not disassembling it at present to make the swap.

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 08:54 AM

I'll give them a call.  It would be for no kidding training scenarios with people using the same or similar gear.

I'll look into that tight bore as well.  I wouldn't mind doing some modifications to increase realism on the weapon even further.

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 11:56 PM

Hey OP, if you haven't ordered your Madbull VTAC yet, you might want to wait. PTS has announced that they will be releasing an airsoft version of the CMR.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 12:51 PM

I already ordered it last week. Got everything out of the way in one sitting. I probably won't be buying a real CMR rail for awhile yet, so no big deal. I'll keep them matched up for the time being (well once it gets here this week). Thanks for the heads up though.

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 02:46 AM

Run the gun thru the 45 day warranty period before modifying it.  Mine went back to KWA for warranty work after a couple of weeks when it started double feeding, etc.  KWA made it right is about a week.  No issues since.

Buy green gas by the case, it goes fast!

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