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#1 iWar

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 05:14 PM

I've been reading post on here for years so thought I's share a DIY I thought of. It is a hair trigger mod  I did to my SR10. This is more for us who have mosfets with micro switches. It may work with normal trigger contacts but I'm not sure. So things you will need. A metal file and JB Weld "Steel Stick". Pretty simple... JB Weld will only cost you $5 at home depot.

1. Remove trigger from gear box.
2. Use the JB Weld under the trigger to change the angle it sits in the gear box. (just like the "speed Trigger" set screw) but instead I used JB Weld. Make sure you don't cover the hole for the spring. I pushed the putty on then used a paper clip to push out any that got in the hole.
3. Once it hardens file it down to close the distance between the trigger and the micro switch.
4. File the safety lever so it can operate as its supposed to. This is the most time consuming part as you have to get it just right. Go slow and try it out. Take a little off and try again. You can always take some off but you can't put anymore back on. I tested it by stripping everything out of the gearbox but the trigger put the shell back together. Then pushing the selector plate to see if it engages the safety. Took about 45 min to get it just right. Now I have a hair trigger :)

Here is a before and after. Look at the top of the trigger and see the difference in distance between trigger and micro switch.

Before
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After
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P.S. Hope its not so worthless anymore!

Edited by iWar, 18 December 2013 - 06:40 PM.


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 05:53 PM

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 01:36 PM

Is there a difference between the "speed tunable trigger" and this mod?
http://www.popularai...igger-m4m16-aeg

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 03:40 PM

Hair triggers are almost as dangerous in airsoft guns as real ones.  Its all fun and games until someone puts an eye out.  Seriously.

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 05:13 PM

Hair trigger, she's going to loose her eye. JK Chuck, i hear you.
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Edited by tales, 19 December 2013 - 05:16 PM.


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Posted 19 December 2013 - 06:13 PM

View Posttales, on 19 December 2013 - 01:36 PM, said:

Is there a difference between the "speed tunable trigger" and this mod?
http://www.popularai...igger-m4m16-aeg

I have never used the speed trigger, but pretty sure they do the same thing. The diffrence is $20 plus shipping.

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 06:15 PM

View PostChuck S, on 19 December 2013 - 03:40 PM, said:

Hair triggers are almost as dangerous in airsoft guns as real ones.  Its all fun and games until someone puts an eye out.  Seriously.

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Any trigger in any gun is dangerous :drooling:

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 07:22 PM

View PostiWar, on 19 December 2013 - 06:13 PM, said:

I have never used the speed trigger, but pretty sure they do the same thing. The diffrence is $20 plus shipping.

JB Weld is over $5 and one of the worst products I've ever used. A good Bastard is around $10 + time & labor
Hope it works out for you, nice job. I wish the pics were bigger.

Keep us posted!

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 04:07 AM

Stock triggers are perfectly safe.  Guns won't fire until you press them -- when you intend to shoot.  Hair triggers often fire the gun just by bumping the gun in some manner or from vibration -- when you had no intention of shooting.  But everyone knows this...

I avoid these guns at all costs (and the guys who screw with them).  (No smiley)

Unsafe habits in airsoft breed unsafe habits with real guns.

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 07:33 AM

And this is why I never post... Because of people like Chuck... My gun is NEVER gonna fire unless the trigger is pulled. There is a spring on the trigger and I must say it is pretty strong especially when its pulled back in the position it is in. Chuck you should know this if you have any knowledge of a kwa gearbox.  It would have to be bumped by a Mack truck to go off... At that point you have a much bigger problem then the gun... Maybe you should avoid Mack trucks instead of hair triggers... :shocked:

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 02:41 PM

OK, let's move on please.  Everyone is entitled to their opinion.  If you disagree, fine.

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Posted 24 December 2013 - 03:13 PM

I have a speed trigger installed in one of my high speed builds using a CQR platform.  I have to say that I have mixed feelings.  It looks good and it does what it's supposed to which decreases the trigger travel but not sure if it was really worth all the hype.  Not sure shaving off a few millisecond on the trigger response time was worth the money and the time for install.  But it does look good and adds a bit of "bling" to your setup. :)

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Posted 25 December 2013 - 11:36 AM

View Postniko_gpsy, on 24 December 2013 - 03:13 PM, said:

I have a speed trigger installed in one of my high speed builds using a CQR platform.  I have to say that I have mixed feelings.  It looks good and it does what it's supposed to which decreases the trigger travel but not sure if it was really worth all the hype.  Not sure shaving off a few millisecond on the trigger response time was worth the money and the time for install.  But it does look good and adds a bit of "bling" to your setup. :)
I have to agree with Niko.  Looks great, but the profile of the trigger actually allows for greater travel  even with the engagement distance reduced.  Basically, the trigger engagement is shortened but the post engagement travel is longer than the stock KWA trigger. Now, Niko has a different model Speed Trigger than I do so this may not be the case with his.  And to test this I have used two different ST's (1st and 2nd generation) and have asked two other people to see if it's me or in fact the trigger has extra travel....both people agreed the trigger travels farther post switch engagement that a stock trigger.

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 08:37 AM

I have an AWS Raptor fet with a micro switch so I don't have any of those problems... I pull it 1 maybe 2mm and fires... No post trigger pull... I'll admit it's not for everyone but I just like to change things up and be different then the crowd... I did go out and play this passed weekend and we had a game that was semi only and I'd say I had a big advantage... The ref even came over to me and told me I could only shoot semi... I told him I was and showed him and all was good... So it does have a practical use on the field as well...

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 10:09 AM

View PostiWar, on 28 December 2013 - 08:37 AM, said:

I have an AWS Raptor fet with a micro switch so I don't have any of those problems... I pull it 1 maybe 2mm and fires... No post trigger pull... I'll admit it's not for everyone but I just like to change things up and be different then the crowd... I did go out and play this passed weekend and we had a game that was semi only and I'd say I had a big advantage... The ref even came over to me and told me I could only shoot semi... I told him I was and showed him and all was good... So it does have a practical use on the field as well...
I couldn't agree with you more with your setup.  With a raptor or Chimera the Speed Airsoft trigger really is a very nice upgrade.

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Posted 02 January 2014 - 09:58 PM

Ok, don't talk S*** about JB Weld, I have guns that are more JB than KWA :drool:
As far as the hair trigger, I used JB to adjust the engagement and it worked like a champ on my SR-12.
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Posted 03 January 2014 - 01:52 AM

Sorry didn't mean to offend you

Edited by tales, 03 January 2014 - 03:09 AM.


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 09:27 AM

View PostWgusler, on 02 January 2014 - 09:58 PM, said:

Ok, don't talk S*** about JB Weld, I have guns that are more JB than KWA :drool:
As far as the hair trigger, I used JB to adjust the engagement and it worked like a champ on my SR-12.
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Understand that Wgusler is a bit of a JB weld wizard....a JB Weld Wisperer....that man has build stuff out of JB weld that defies all logic, LOL

Show him the Nerf Gun!

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 10:58 AM

I find its brittle & think the label is misleading. No need to see the nerf gun, i followed the posted pics link & seen the other side of the triggers weld. Looks like the JBs Vertex cracked. I think bondo or Aqua-Resin would last longer, JMO.

Happy he likes the product :)

Edited by tales, 03 January 2014 - 10:58 AM.





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