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Can I Dry Fire KWA M226 PTP?


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#1 jaykchan

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 07:00 PM

I would like to know if this is OK to dry fire a KWA M226 PTP.

The dry fire that I am referring to is to pull the trigger with an empty magazine that has no BB and no gas,  I hope the answer is OK.  Then I can mount a laser pointer to the M226 and use it while I dry fire to see if my trigger pull may cause the laser to dance around too much.

I have read the owner manual of M226.  But it doesn't say anything about dry firing.

I can definitely dry fire my real steel pistol.  Unfortunately it doesn't have a rail to accept laser pointer.  Therefore, I am hoping that I can use KWA M226 PTP to dry fire because M226 has a rail to accept laser pointer.

Please let me know.  Thanks.

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 02:54 AM

View Postjaykchan, on 13 November 2013 - 07:00 PM, said:

I would like to know if this is OK to dry fire a KWA M226 PTP.

The dry fire that I am referring to is to pull the trigger with an empty magazine that has no BB and no gas,  I hope the answer is OK.  Then I can mount a laser pointer to the M226 and use it while I dry fire to see if my trigger pull may cause the laser to dance around too much.

I have read the owner manual of M226.  But it doesn't say anything about dry firing.

I can definitely dry fire my real steel pistol.  Unfortunately it doesn't have a rail to accept laser pointer.  Therefore, I am hoping that I can use KWA M226 PTP to dry fire because M226 has a rail to accept laser pointer.

Please let me know.  Thanks.

Jay Chan
Yes, although it's not particularly good for the gun, you can, just don't dry fire excessively, A couple shots here or there wont break the gun.

Edited by Acorn Avenger, 16 November 2013 - 02:54 AM.


#3 jaykchan

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 05:10 PM

Sorry for replying very late.  Your reply was not what I had expected.  Therefore, I didn't know how to respond.

Now that I think about this, I have a feeling that this may not be as bad as I thought.  I would like to know more about why we are not supposed to dry fire KWA M226.

I understand the reason why we should not dry fire .22LR handgun or rifle because the firing pin will be hitting hard steel instead of soft brass.  I am wondering why an airsoft pistol has a similar problem -- it should not have any firing pin, right?

What's the likely bad consequence of dry firing an airsoft pistol like KWA M226?  Will this cause the pistol failing to shoot BB's?  If this is the case, I can live with this because my primary purpose of using a KWA M226 is to learn trigger pull; shooting BB's and experiencing recoiling is secondary.  Or will this cause the trigger failing to fall the hammer?  If this is the case, this will be the worst case situation for me.

Please let me know what you think.  Thanks.

Jay Chan

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 07:12 AM

Yes, you can dry fire your pistol.  Acorn addressed the question of "should" you dry fire.  Airsoft gas guns are not as strong as your steel version and much of the metal appears to be castings.

My input is "Why dry fire at all?" and "Why use a laser?"

Watching a laser dancing around on a non-laser reactive target is counter productive as you will concentrate on the target rather than the front sight.  You'll be looking to see the "strike",  We can watch guys string their shots all over the target chasing lasers around or shooting low when shooting steel as they slightly drop the pistol to see the target fall.  Both are rookie mistakes that rarely survive good training courses.  There's a reason instructors shout "Front Sight.  Trigger Press.  Follow thru.  Reset." !

Dry fire is claimed to be a way to get feedback but does a poor job in my opinion unless you have a coach to observe your trigger break.  And it stops there.  Great trigger press is only 1/3 of what has to be done.  Good airsoft, on the other hand, sends a BB into the target where any mistakes in (1) trigger press, (2) follow thru, and (3) trigger reset show up almost as well as shooting full caliber cartridges and as good as .22LR shooting.  The recoil requires good follow thru to bring the sights back on target.  Not sure why you want to ignore this vital skill.

If you stick to three to seven yards the feed back is very nice.  Poor grip out of the holster shows up here too once you start timing your presentations.

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Edited by Chuck S, 28 November 2013 - 07:14 AM.


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Posted 30 November 2013 - 08:18 AM

Thanks for letting me know the reason why dry firing an airsoft pistol may not be good for the pistol (the steel is not strong enough).  I doubt that I will be able to test the limit of the weak steel in an airsoft pistol.  I have a trigger pull problem that I need to learn how to overcome.  As soon as I overcome this problem, I will move on.  Therefore, I doubt (or I hope not) I would spend too much time on this stage.

Also thanks for warning me about the downside of using a laser aim as a training tool.  I have a specific problem in trigger pull that I want to overcome.  And I hope that the laser aim will help me overcoming the problem.  When I shoot my real steel pistol, I always shoot low and to the left.  The problem must have to do me with jerking the trigger.  I tried the "penny on top of the slide" test, and the penny didn't fall.  So I didn't know if me who jerks the trigger or the pistol was no good (this is called "self-denial").  For the longest time, I was not sure where the problem was.  That was until one day I decided to mount a laser aim on one of my pistol, and I immediately noticed the laser jumping to the lower left corner when I pulled the trigger.  At that point, there was no doubt that I need to work on my trigger pull.  I believe that having a laser aim will help me to overcome this specific problem.  Unfortunately, that pistol with a laser aim is a .22LR rimfire and is quite a pain trying to dry fire it (I have to keep rotating the dry wall anchor (dummy round) for every couple trigger pulls).  My home defense pistol doesn't have a rail.  That's why I want to use an airsoft pistol that has a rail to practice trigger pull.

Please note that I am only using the laser aim as a way to fix the specific problem of jerking trigger pull.  After this is fixed, I will likely use it in a more realistic situation as what you have suggested.

Jay Chan

Edited by jaykchan, 30 November 2013 - 08:19 AM.





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