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#1 Dario 036

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 09:19 AM

So now that magpul is backing out of the airsoft world does that mean KWA will no longer be making the masada and We-tech will dominate the market for a masada type gun with their Remington ACR replica?

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 01:35 PM

View PostDario 036, on 21 August 2013 - 09:19 AM, said:

So now that magpul is backing out of the airsoft world does that mean KWA will no longer be making the masada and We-tech will dominate the market for a masada type gun with their Remington ACR replica?
Good question.

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 06:06 PM

Is there a good answer? I bought a WE SCAR and it was the was worst thing I ever bought, I wouldn't buy it for $50 yet alone $350. I hate that they're starting to dominate the GBB market and KWA seems to be fading.

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 06:08 PM

View PostBENboBEN, on 23 August 2013 - 06:06 PM, said:

Is there a good answer? I bought a WE SCAR and it was the was worst thing I ever bought, I wouldn't buy it for $50 yet alone $350. I hate that they're starting to dominate the GBB market and KWA seems to be fading.
How is it that KWA is fading?  Especially if WE is "the was worst thing I ever bought"?

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 08:32 PM

View Postgcw360, on 23 August 2013 - 06:08 PM, said:

How is it that KWA is fading?  Especially if WE is "the was worst thing I ever bought"?
I think he's just frustrated that KWA doesn't release new guns every month, like WE Tech did a couple years back. To be fair it is a little frustrating to be waiting so long between releases, however I would much rather wait the extra time for a finished product rather than a disappointing gun. Personally I feel like even the LM4 could have used a little extra time or cost put into materials and parts, but on the other hand those shortcomings forced us to get familiar with the internals if we are set on being a long term LM4 user. Maybe it's all a part of the plan :shiftyninja:

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 03:15 AM

I'm willing to wait for just about anything KWA wants to make.  The end results have been worth it.  Masada?  In the real world this is "just another 5.56mm rifle" trying to find a niche in a world awash with M4 Carbines and earlier M16-series rifles.  Sounds like airsoft too, doesn't it?  :)  An attractive rifle for sure but no real functional superiority over systems in place.  Same is true in the airsoft versions.  Doesn't mean we don't want either version.

One of the problems -- challenges is a better word -- with guns like the KWA Masada GBB is the dual goal of realistic function and realistic construction.  No one expects an AEG to field strip like the real thing -- or field strip at all --  but it seems we all expect GBBs to breakdown just like the cartridge guns.  Add magazine and furnature compatability and ATF approval to the mix and it's almost surprising KWA (or anyone else) gets anything to market as fast as they do with all the hoops to jump thru.

The LM4 is, to me, a stunning example of KWA's ability to accomplish both goals.  With the LM4 magazine being the standard NATO gas magazine the Masada is being built around it, something users of both guns will highly appreciate.  We're used to AEG STANAG magazines working in a variety of guns but AEG internals in no way mirror the real things.

Bottom line?  I'd wait for the KWA product and just soldier on with the LM4 until then.  Even when the Masada appears it won't offer anything the LM4 doesn't other than how it looks.  Still shoots 6mm plastic BBs with the same accuracy and energy.

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Edited by Chuck S, 25 August 2013 - 03:16 AM.


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Posted 25 August 2013 - 06:51 AM

personally, if kwa scrapped the masada and tried to make a more unique weapon, i would be happier...

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 08:28 AM

Let me clear up what I said. First of all, I love the MASADA, from a design standpoint I think its perfect. Second I do not like WE at all, I think they are a terrible company with even worse products. Now thirdly, why I think KWA is fading. It seems like company is struggling. There's all the licensing issues which have hopefully stopped, and the recent restructuring. Those, to me, have made it apparent that the company has been struggling on the business side of things. Also, they haven't really been releasing anything new, I know we've got the Vector and LM4 which took up a lot of production, but beyond that there hasn't been a constant presence and hype of new stuff recently. There have been new ones, but we have been waiting a long time. Now I compared them to WE, regradless of WE is junk or not, it sells. And they keep releasing new stuff every 4 minutes which keeps people excited. There's more to look forward to, more to save up for, and if you keep waiting long enough, you're going to spend the money somewhere else. And finally, the biggest thing to me is how much trouble KWA has had with magazine production. I rarely see LM4 mags in stock, and the Vector's mags are all but gone. More are on the way, yes, but again, it seems KWA is struggling with production. That is why I say they're fading. I don't want this to seem like I'm mad at KWA or that I'm bashing them, its that I love this company and want to see it thrive.

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 02:35 PM

View PostBENboBEN, on 25 August 2013 - 08:28 AM, said:

Let me clear up what I said. First of all, I love the MASADA, from a design standpoint I think its perfect. Second I do not like WE at all, I think they are a terrible company with even worse products. Now thirdly, why I think KWA is fading. It seems like company is struggling. There's all the licensing issues which have hopefully stopped, and the recent restructuring. Those, to me, have made it apparent that the company has been struggling on the business side of things. Also, they haven't really been releasing anything new, I know we've got the Vector and LM4 which took up a lot of production, but beyond that there hasn't been a constant presence and hype of new stuff recently. There have been new ones, but we have been waiting a long time. Now I compared them to WE, regradless of WE is junk or not, it sells. And they keep releasing new stuff every 4 minutes which keeps people excited. There's more to look forward to, more to save up for, and if you keep waiting long enough, you're going to spend the money somewhere else. And finally, the biggest thing to me is how much trouble KWA has had with magazine production. I rarely see LM4 mags in stock, and the Vector's mags are all but gone. More are on the way, yes, but again, it seems KWA is struggling with production. That is why I say they're fading. I don't want this to seem like I'm mad at KWA or that I'm bashing them, its that I love this company and want to see it thrive.
Totally understandable gripes for sure! While I do agree that their production is struggling to keep up I don't think they are struggling as much as it would seem, as their reputation for excellence keeps people coming back regardless of how long the wait might be.

View PostChuck S, on 25 August 2013 - 03:15 AM, said:

I'm willing to wait for just about anything KWA wants to make.  The end results have been worth it.  Masada?  In the real world this is "just another 5.56mm rifle" trying to find a niche in a world awash with M4 Carbines and earlier M16-series rifles.  Sounds like airsoft too, doesn't it?  :)  An attractive rifle for sure but no real functional superiority over systems in place.  Same is true in the airsoft versions.  Doesn't mean we don't want either version.

One of the problems -- challenges is a better word -- with guns like the KWA Masada GBB is the dual goal of realistic function and realistic construction.  No one expects an AEG to field strip like the real thing -- or field strip at all --  but it seems we all expect GBBs to breakdown just like the cartridge guns.  Add magazine and furnature compatability and ATF approval to the mix and it's almost surprising KWA (or anyone else) gets anything to market as fast as they do with all the hoops to jump thru.

The LM4 is, to me, a stunning example of KWA's ability to accomplish both goals.  With the LM4 magazine being the standard NATO gas magazine the Masada is being built around it, something users of both guns will highly appreciate.  We're used to AEG STANAG magazines working in a variety of guns but AEG internals in no way mirror the real things.

Bottom line?  I'd wait for the KWA product and just soldier on with the LM4 until then.  Even when the Masada appears it won't offer anything the LM4 doesn't other than how it looks.  Still shoots 6mm plastic BBs with the same accuracy and energy.

-- Chuck
As far as the Masada goes I think the real benefit is for those who like to have more ergonomics, specifically Magpul type ergonomics, in an AR type platform but without the need to add 10 different parts just to get those features. For example, the hand guard design is much like the MOE but you don't need to upgrade the gun to get that benefit. The bolt release is in a very easy to reach place, much like the BAD lever addresses, but again there is no need to add extra parts to get that function. Same with the side changeable charging handle, ambidextrous fire selector, ambidextrous magazine release, folding sights, lightweight construction and monolithic upper rail. Basically it already has lots of features that people generally want to upgrade when they have an AR. Whether or not the user is 'traditionalist' would ultimately determine how much he/she desires this model.

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 07:22 PM

that's the thing though, its just the equivalent of an upgraded AR15, except lighter because it is mainly polymer...
if they released something unique, like the Israeli MTAR, i think people would be a lot happier.

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 07:20 PM

A gbb masada would be fun to have and if they made it use lm4 mags then that would also give me an excuse to get an lm4 as well. Kwa should just make a bunch of rifles that use stanag mags such as the tar, f2000, RX4, XCR, famas g2, AUG, qbz 95. Any of those would be awesome!

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Posted 13 January 2014 - 02:49 PM

The Masada is now the Bushmaster ACR.

If anything, KWA can talk to Bushmaster.




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