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#1 proverbialguy739

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 11:50 PM

I need help deciding on which pistol to order. I have boiled it down to the ATP, M9 Tac, and the 1911 Mk II.

Let it be known that I have held IRL versions of each pistol and I am fine with the grip of all three, however, I also realize that the ATP will not feel all that much like a real glock due to the design changes. I simply want input on which of the three wins in the categories of accuracy, durability, and reliability.
FPS probably needs to stay in the 330 range, but I think all three stay around that.

I was about to write the M9 off the list, but a different post noted that it was a very well refined model seeing as how old it was, so I am reconsidering. Just tell me which of the three you think is the best and why.
EDIT: Thinking about it now, I might just have to get the ATP because I can buy a 48 round mag for it...

Edited by proverbialguy739, 20 August 2013 - 12:26 AM.


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Posted 20 August 2013 - 08:13 PM

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:56 AM

Out of the three, we have the MKII & M9.
The 1911 is a great gun. The drawback is the Mags. There hard to find. I had three HC mags my son lost one in the woods, i sold the other two.
It seems the mag release button can be pressed by mistake causing the mag to fall out. Someone said to file down the release button. I think he's going to sell it as is.
I only see a few 14rd Mags online around $48 each.

The M9 is also i very nice gun. 24rd mags are readily available for around $35 each. The mag release button is harder to hit by mistake.
He has the non tac M9 due to the use of this holster http://www.ebay.com/...=item461152deb5

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 01:24 PM

View Postproverbialguy739, on 19 August 2013 - 11:50 PM, said:

I need help deciding on which pistol to order. I have boiled it down to the ATP, M9 Tac, and the 1911 Mk II.

Let it be known that I have held IRL versions of each pistol and I am fine with the grip of all three, however, I also realize that the ATP will not feel all that much like a real glock due to the design changes. I simply want input on which of the three wins in the categories of accuracy, durability, and reliability.
FPS probably needs to stay in the 330 range, but I think all three stay around that.

I was about to write the M9 off the list, but a different post noted that it was a very well refined model seeing as how old it was, so I am reconsidering. Just tell me which of the three you think is the best and why.
EDIT: Thinking about it now, I might just have to get the ATP because I can buy a 48 round mag for it...
Look what you can get for the M9: http://store.kwausa....1a1smg-1-1.aspx

Decisions, decisions....

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 03:41 PM

View Postgcw360, on 21 August 2013 - 01:24 PM, said:

Look what you can get for the M9: http://store.kwausa....1a1smg-1-1.aspx

Decisions, decisions....
im stupid, completely forgot about the m93r...

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 03:53 PM

View Postproverbialguy739, on 21 August 2013 - 03:41 PM, said:

im stupid, completely forgot about the m93r...
Comes in a 32 round mag too.... http://store.kwausa....1smg-1-1-1.aspx

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 04:48 PM

its gonna come down to price. Ive ruled out the 1911 (sorry!) because of a lack of high cap mags for it.
If i can get the ATP auto locally for a good price, then i will go with that. if i cant, i may decide to order either the ATP, M9 tac, or ATP auto used. when buying used, you never know what will be the best deal, so it will likely come down to whatever i can find...

Edited by proverbialguy739, 21 August 2013 - 05:01 PM.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 05:09 PM

View Postproverbialguy739, on 21 August 2013 - 04:48 PM, said:

its gonna come down to price. Ive ruled out the 1911 (sorry!) because of a lack of high cap mags for it.
If i can get the ATP auto locally for a good price, then i will go with that. if i cant, i may decide to order either the ATP, M9 tac, or ATP auto used. when buying used, you never know what will be the best deal, so it will likely come down to whatever i can find...
I prefer the ATP, but that's because the M9, as nice as it is, is too big in my hand.  Price wise, the ATP wins hands down. Just add in an enhanced metal spring guide and call it a day.  It's my go to field sidearm.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 08:11 PM

probably gonna attempt to get the ATP before looking at M9 deals, as the atp is 0.8 pounds lighter than the M9...
welp... another look at the m9, i like how it has more conventional features like a manual safety, exposed hammer, decocking lever, etc...

just gonna try to go to an airsoft store and hold both. if i cant it will just come down to price.

Edited by proverbialguy739, 22 August 2013 - 10:34 PM.


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 05:35 PM

found an airsoft store, but they only had the 1911 mk IV and the cz...
gotta say, im leaning towards the m9 tactical, but i dont know of any good holsters for it (serpa doesnt make a holster for one with a rail, only for the older version)

if you know of any good m9 tac holsters, i would appreciate a link for them...

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 05:53 PM

Sorry, are you saying because the M9 Tac has a grove, it wont fit in a a serpa holster. Even if there is nothing on the M9s rail system?

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 07:14 PM

m9 serpas are made for the version without a rail (its more common in real handguns)
i kinda want the railed version, so i would prefer to find an alternate holster rather than buying the non railed version

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 07:30 PM

well now i really dont want the m9 because of the exposed barrel...
1911 is back into comparison, and from what it felt like i might just buy that and forget about the high cap mags...
yeah, gonna have to do that. i know that real glocks are safe without an exposed hammer and such, but i wouldnt feel comfortable without at least some form of manual safety...

the airsoft store i went to was selling the mk IV for like 180 dollars, not sure why. that is way too expensive since i can order it online for like 150...
gonna have to find the correct holster, but there are like 3 different serpas for 1911s so im sure one of them will work.

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 07:39 PM

who knows which serpa will fit the 1911 mk II or mk IV?
I know they are each based off of specific 1911 designs but i dont know which...

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 08:14 PM

i think the holsters are all the same. Our MKII & USP Compact are Tacs the M9 is not.
The only problem i had was the USP compact Tac, It would not fit in a USP Compact serpa holster.
Not because of the slot/rail The front sight is  taller on the USP compact Tac so you can aim over the mock suppressor.

I ordered the regular USP compact front sight from KWA for a few bucks. Change out the tall sight for the regular front sight,  now it fits inside the serpa holster fine.

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 08:32 PM

LtoR M9 - MKII
Bottom USP holster

I dont see any markings on the 1911 holster. Its an off off off brand, it did fit all the MK series pistols.
It was an unintended purchase at my local airsoft field just before a game
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1911 on top.
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Posted 24 August 2013 - 04:02 AM

View Postproverbialguy739, on 23 August 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

who knows which serpa will fit the 1911 mk II or mk IV?
I know they are each based off of specific 1911 designs but i dont know which...
I use the Blackhawk Serpa Concealment Holster (CQC) for Colt 1911 & Clones w/ or w/o rail - Purchased from Optics Planet - for my MKIV.

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 08:08 AM

Sorry, All four holsters are made by Blackhawk - 1911 MKII:  (CQC) Colt 1911  C1212

http://www.ebay.com/...=item43bdfdccb3

This is the same model number i use on my MKII
http://www.ebay.com/...d=290950335667

I bought two RH holsters from him. M9 & USP RH $20 each
The LH USP was $35 (shown above) He states there NOT BlackHawk but it is molded into the holster BlackHawk?
You can ask him, if your interested

Edited by tales, 24 August 2013 - 08:25 AM.


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Posted 24 August 2013 - 07:41 PM

blackhawk makes two different holsters for real steel 1911s, one for the commander style and one for the govt. style.
from picture comparisons, it looks like the commander is the mk II and the govt. is the mk IV.
when i get it, i will try to buy the govt for the mk IV and return it if it doesnt quite fit.

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 05:41 AM

View Postproverbialguy739, on 24 August 2013 - 07:41 PM, said:

blackhawk makes two different holsters for real steel 1911s, one for the commander style and one for the govt. style.
from picture comparisons, it looks like the commander is the mk II and the govt. is the mk IV.
when i get it, i will try to buy the govt for the mk IV and return it if it doesnt quite fit.
Here is the one I use for my MKIV  It's a perfect fit: http://www.opticspla...oop-paddle.html

As you will see is is for the Government Model

Color:  Black
Hand:  Right
Gun Model:  1911 Government
Fabric/Material:  Injection Molded Polymer
Code: BW-HT-FFBAAE-410503BK-R
MPN: 410503BKR
UPC: 648018013010
$39.95 from Optics Planet and the shipping is free.

Hope this helps




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