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#1 Rogier Verbrugge

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 01:37 AM

Hi all!

I'm new to airsoft and I'm really digging the kwa lm4 ptr. Does anyone knows why the prices in the EU are so much higher?

US prices are around $375 dollar = 275 euro

BE / NL / DE prices are 550 euro = $ 700 dollar

Kind regards,

Rogier

#2 BioRage

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 05:10 AM

Depends I think, I find the LM4's pretty rare in general, at least in Canada.

I paid close to over $6xx with shipping and tax. You should try local airsoft forums in your country, there maybe a few vendors that have them for less.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 06:47 PM

Local Store are your best chance at a low price, after that just use google.

Search for KWA LM4 (Your region or Country) and hit all the website you can find lol

I live in Canada and KWA LM4 are out of stock almost everywhere, I had to do over 15 website and at least 7 phone call to find a place where they still had one in stock.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 08:37 PM

Wow, that is some serious price spiking! Sometimes I forget how good me and my fellow US airsofters have it. I wish I had more advice to give you, but I'm rather unfamiliar with the way airsoft importing and shipping works with Canada and other places outside of the states. How is the airsoft scene in your areas? I don't hear much about airsoft outside of the US and UK so I'm fairly curious how others play compared to my area. Best of luck with getting your hands on one of these beautiful replicas!
-Wrecker

Edited by General Pickle, 19 August 2013 - 08:39 PM.


#5 Parashutte

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 02:09 PM

View PostGeneral Pickle, on 19 August 2013 - 08:37 PM, said:

Wow, that is some serious price spiking! Sometimes I forget how good me and my fellow US airsofters have it. I wish I had more advice to give you, but I'm rather unfamiliar with the way airsoft importing and shipping works with Canada and other places outside of the states. How is the airsoft scene in your areas? I don't hear much about airsoft outside of the US and UK so I'm fairly curious how others play compared to my area. Best of luck with getting your hands on one of these beautiful replicas!
-Wrecker

Yeh, Importing Airsoft is illegal in Canada. That doesn't mean Airsoft are illegal, be because they are replica of real fire arm CBSA work by their own rule as to protect the people against real threat.

Note that Airsoft gun that shoot above 407 and below 500 FPS will be allowed in, thats when they go from being replica to air gun, and CBSA will apparently approve this finding. BUT the importer has to prove it can shoot in between that limit and they might ship your gun some place random to be chronographed and you will have the pay for the shipping cost so while you might save on the original gun, trying to import them might not be such a good idea. Your best bet would be to buy from a local store, you could also try a local firearm dealer, they have the permit to import firearm which include Airsoft gun.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:14 AM

@ General Pickle
Airsoft in Canada works pretty much the same as in the U.S., though I think on a smaller scale. We don't have any Operation: Irenes here. We do have some large milsim games, just not quite as large as you guys. Generally games are pre-registered and organized. We have very few walk-on airsoft fields. As for the LM4, I feel kind of bad now, I bought mine for $330 CAD from Toronto airsoft. They've been out of stock since I bought mine, however. The magpul edition is in stock, but I believe it isin the $500+ mark.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 05:03 AM

View PostDanneichh, on 21 August 2013 - 02:14 AM, said:

@ General Pickle
Airsoft in Canada works pretty much the same as in the U.S., though I think on a smaller scale. We don't have any Operation: Irenes here. We do have some large milsim games, just not quite as large as you guys. Generally games are pre-registered and organized. We have very few walk-on airsoft fields. As for the LM4, I feel kind of bad now, I bought mine for $330 CAD from Toronto airsoft. They've been out of stock since I bought mine, however. The magpul edition is in stock, but I believe it isin the $500+ mark.

You were one of the lucky ones :).

The Magpul are out of stock too, they are $600 @ Torontoairsoft.com lolz

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 05:17 AM

Ouch. That's way too high. Sadly, I don't know anyone else that is cheaper. I know a store in Barrie, Ontario that has the ptr in stock, but they're $500 plus.

Edited by Danneichh, 21 August 2013 - 05:18 AM.


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 03:35 AM

2 things

Parashutte: your info is misleading and inaccurate (and based in outdated facts); please make sure to check it out before posting these

366fps and above, measured with .2g is the threshold at which an air gun is considered a weapon, making it eligible for importation.

500fps AND 5.7 joules is the point at which it becomes controlled. An Airsoft gun shooting 600fps with .2 still don't meet that definition and can be imported

We've had it hard in the past, but it's getting better and cheaper for us now

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Why is everyone referring to Canada, while the OP is asking questions about EU? I don't feel like anyone helped the guy in any way just yet.. Just wanted to point it out ;)

#10 Danneichh

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 12:04 PM

I think its because the reasons for the prices are the same in both regions. They're high, because they are harder to get, and the guys that have them can charge what they want.

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 05:46 PM

yeah it must be harder to import the airsoft guns into europe (considering shipping costs and more restrictive weapon laws that may or may not tack on extra fees).
with that said, a 2.5x price hike is absurd. i would recommend checking local stores and asking them about the pricing there if they are actually trying to sell a $275 gun for $700...

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 06:43 PM

View PostMultipleParadox, on 23 August 2013 - 03:35 AM, said:

2 things

Parashutte: your info is misleading and inaccurate (and based in outdated facts); please make sure to check it out before posting these

366fps and above, measured with .2g is the threshold at which an air gun is considered a weapon, making it eligible for importation.

500fps AND 5.7 joules is the point at which it becomes controlled. An Airsoft gun shooting 600fps with .2 still don't meet that definition and can be imported

We've had it hard in the past, but it's getting better and cheaper for us now

====

Why is everyone referring to Canada, while the OP is asking questions about EU? I don't feel like anyone helped the guy in any way just yet.. Just wanted to point it out ;)

Oh.. I guess thing changed since I last checked.. lol. Thanks for letting me know! And I did help the guy at first.. I then replied to someone from Canada who also posted here, haha.

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 01:10 AM

@proverbialguy739 Its absurd, yes, but sadly, as previous experience proves, if somebody wants it, they will pay for it. Prices in Canada have dropped enormously, but certain big ticket items - The LM4 is a good example, as well as the KRISS Vector,  are still priced high, because people will buy them eventually. When then first Canadian retailer to have magpul editions in stock listed them at $700, people bought the crap out of them. Hell, I remember when I started airsofting, about 4 years ago, I bought a Classic Army G36, my first gun, for $650. Used. And that was a steal of a deal, considering it came with a battery.

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 09:04 PM

well, times have changed.
i would avoid purchasing any overpriced airsoft guns and instead sticking with the more common kwa ones...
as much of a disappointment this may be to you, it will show retailers that people wont buy a product for double the retail price in america...

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 03:24 PM

If only there were enough people to convince them otherwise. However, most Canadians have adopted a "wait and see if the prices drop" approach. Usually, it works. Case in point: I paid less for my lm4 than the current U.S  prices. I just had to wait for a retailer to sell them cheap, and jump on it ASAP.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 03:26 PM

If the LM4 is in short supply what about green gas?  Is that available?  Green gas has to ship by surface (land or ship).

The new RM4 has electric recoil that's much more satisfying than the squirt gun like AEG operation but is still a notch below the gas operated LM4.  The RM4 probably isn't any easier to find, though, than the LM4 and the RM4 "scout" is not a M4 but a Magpul-something with a mid length handguard.  M4 Purists will be offended.  Neither me or the gun care.

Of possible interest for those in the Great White North my 3-day old RM4 chronographs at an average of 378fps (1.33j) with 0.20 BBs.  That's with the hopup set for good distance so it's probably higher with the hopup off.  The short barrel version will be lower.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 03:36 PM

I'd think EU or UK buyers would do better staying within the EU or UK and let the distributor worry about importing them.

US buyers looking for the LM4 should find it fairly easily.  Pyramyd Air (and others) has them in stock but the Magpul magazines aren't due in until Thanksgiving.  US Thanksgiving, not Canadian!

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 11:46 AM

Truth be told, I have yet to see a single RM4 on the market. Now, in the last year, the CBSA (our customs officers) have gotten used to airsoft, and have gotten far more relaxed. Fps isn't really a barrier anymore. Otherwise, none of us would have sidearms! :P We do have a lot of retailers who can do custom orders, but I don't think the market is right for the RM4 here. Most of us either use AEG's or go full out with GBBR's.

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 04:26 AM

Hi there,


As I KWA fan living in Spain, I do have the same pricing problem.

We EU customers have to pay extra as the LM4 has to go from factory (Taiwan) to US (Distributor) then to Eu (Distributor) and then to any European country (Retail)

I paid 500 Euros for mine, which is close to 650USD....

Next LM4 Im buying is the "C" version, and Im thinking to buy it in the US...  but anyway: 370USD for the gun, 200USD for shipping to your door in Europe, plus 21% import tax should set me back in the 600-700USD mark....




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