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Posted 18 April 2013 - 05:36 PM

Guys, we will be restocking the parts for the product soon, and we will have continued product support.

We are also trying to get more H&K parts in, so don't worry about that. MP7 CQB bolts are on order and we should be able to get them still. Just waiting on the factory to make another production run.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 05:43 PM

 xKingSizex, on 18 April 2013 - 05:36 PM, said:

Guys, we will be restocking the parts for the product soon, and we will have continued product support.

We are also trying to get more H&K parts in, so don't worry about that. MP7 CQB bolts are on order and we should be able to get them still. Just waiting on the factory to make another production run.
Can we get a definative yes or no on the future production of the KRISS and HK magazines. Thats what worries me. College has sucked my wallet dry and I still have to get mags for my KRISS and MP7. Plus everyone is out of stock.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 06:03 PM

H&K mags are still being produced, but they are distributed by Umarex. We will get magazines in for the Vector as soon as we can.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 06:19 PM

So just after SHOT SHOW I had heard a rumor that Allen, Mike and Hikaru were leaving KWA to work for KRISS. With my experience with dealing with KRISS ARMS, the Swiss side, they are very particular about control. I suspect they. Want to produce their own airsoft in the future. More money. So they poached the KWA guys.

I wonder if this kills the current license that KWA has or is it for any future products. Such as the proposed AEG Vector.

I would bet we will see Kriss Vectors and K10 airsoft versions in the next year or two.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 06:30 PM

 xKingSizex, on 18 April 2013 - 05:36 PM, said:

Guys, we will be restocking the parts for the product soon, and we will have continued product support.

We are also trying to get more H&K parts in, so don't worry about that. MP7 CQB bolts are on order and we should be able to get them still. Just waiting on the factory to make another production run.
I'm very glad to hear that, since I've been doing ok so far in Oregon with my MP7 I never considered the CQB bolt, but when I went to L.A. for Redstorm III (about 4000ft lower and 30 degrees warmer) I found I was shooting about 450 fps... Thanks Kingsize, I'm sure this hasn't been all cupcakes and unicorns for you guys either.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 07:21 PM

 xKingSizex, on 18 April 2013 - 06:03 PM, said:

H&K mags are still being produced, but they are distributed by Umarex. We will get magazines in for the Vector as soon as we can.
Thank you, I appreciate a straight answer.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 07:33 PM

 xKingSizex, on 18 April 2013 - 05:36 PM, said:

Guys, we will be restocking the parts for the product soon, and we will have continued product support.

We are also trying to get more H&K parts in, so don't worry about that. MP7 CQB bolts are on order and we should be able to get them still. Just waiting on the factory to make another production run.

Sorry if i'm reading too much into this, but all i'm getting from this is that you will continue to restock krss parts and continue to support(as in repair) the kriss platform.  Does this mean you will still be producing/selling the kriss itself?

Edited by lorddave551, 18 April 2013 - 07:44 PM.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 07:38 PM

First time poster here, seems like I came in at an interesting time.  I just got my KWA KRISS.  I love it!  Congratulations KWA for a great GBB and a fantastic review by AI magazine.

As you can imagine, I have been trying to learn all I can about the gun, the real one and the airsoft version.  Imagine my surprise when I saw the KRISS announcement?  The whole thing seems a bit...contrived, planned out, and somewhat inflammatory to me on KRISS's part.  Clearly they don't give a crap about the current Vector owners.  Why the hell would they grant licensing to KWA only to pull it 4 months after launch?  Seems to me like there is more here than meets the eye.  Case in point, has anyone looked at the Facebook posts of KRISS employees?  From what I've seen it's just poor form.  Looks like KRISS is messing with KWA.  Why else would Chrisstophe post something like "Retaliation mode is on".  For f*cks sake....it this some kind of game?  Check it out if you want to see it on Facebook:
Christophe Guignard

Oh, and in case you are wondering, he is CEO at Defiance Systems SA.....Part of KRISS.  the whole thing sounds to me like KWA just got a royal screwing to me!

Edited by Bob White, 18 April 2013 - 07:41 PM.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:04 PM

Thank you for a reassuring response. Good to know we can still run our guns without fear of wearing out parts.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:39 PM

I am very curious about what really happened between the two companies, since this isn't even on the same level as the H&K breakup where the contract simply expired. Maybe greed? Maybe somebody didn't agree on sales plans or prices? Who knows...

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:58 PM

well look on the bright side the kriss will be rare and worth something in the future like the 1957 Chevy Bel Air.

Edited by Ethan, 18 April 2013 - 08:58 PM.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:28 PM

 lorddave551, on 18 April 2013 - 05:04 PM, said:

Ouch i didn't realize they hadn't even started selling spares...  I don't own a kriss so i just assumed they'd be selling spares by now on the pro shop site.  They probably have some if you really want em, but you'll most likely have to actually call them to request em.

And ya i feel your pain.  A lot of people buy KWA for the explicit reason that its easy to source parts and that support is not far away. Its a major selling point of KWA vs competitors like marui whose spare parts are often only readily stocked overseas and thus are expensive and pain in the a** to obtain.  If the kriss is well and truly "killed" its going to be a nightmare.  Complaints from people who own em, and from people wanting to get one

Yeah, i wish i had access to even the parts KWA has to sell to people. But as a canadian, i can't do any direct buisness with KWA, which SUCKS, because as a tech, it sure as hell would help if i could just call them up and say "Yeah, i need a new bolt housing for a MP9" or "I need a new rocket nozzle for a M93R" but nooooooooooo, i have to deal with retailers, and mark ups, and blarg

Edited by Specter, 18 April 2013 - 09:29 PM.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:10 PM

 Specter, on 18 April 2013 - 09:28 PM, said:

Yeah, i wish i had access to even the parts KWA has to sell to people. But as a canadian, i can't do any direct buisness with KWA, which SUCKS, because as a tech, it sure as hell would help if i could just call them up and say "Yeah, i need a new bolt housing for a MP9" or "I need a new rocket nozzle for a M93R" but nooooooooooo, i have to deal with retailers, and mark ups, and blarg
Man, that's really rough. Getting parts is hard enough, but the geographical difference surely makes it even more of a pain.

I suppose it does give the Vector a new level of cool, since the people who have this version will now be very far and few between indeed. I'm sure there will be more KRISS Vectors out there, but we all know that the KWA is the only one that matters :P Us MP7 users are kind of going through a similar process, since Umarex is being... Umarex, they now choose what they want KWA to make for them from the H&K line, so the guns that don't sell like hot cakes (MK23, USP Tactical, USP Compact...) won't be made. The MP7 is still made, but the price is jacked up and so are the mags. Plus, I'd rather not support Umarex, since they're essentially ruining an amazing line of guns. Unless KRISS comes out with a good convincing reason for why this happened I now feel the same way about them; ruining a good product line for the sake of maximum profits is shortsighted, and in the end there's no variety left, just "top selling item 1, 2 and 3."

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:39 PM

 General Pickle, on 18 April 2013 - 11:10 PM, said:

Man, that's really rough. Getting parts is hard enough, but the geographical difference surely makes it even more of a pain.

I suppose it does give the Vector a new level of cool, since the people who have this version will now be very far and few between indeed. I'm sure there will be more KRISS Vectors out there, but we all know that the KWA is the only one that matters :P Us MP7 users are kind of going through a similar process, since Umarex is being... Umarex, they now choose what they want KWA to make for them from the H&K line, so the guns that don't sell like hot cakes (MK23, USP Tactical, USP Compact...) won't be made. The MP7 is still made, but the price is jacked up and so are the mags. Plus, I'd rather not support Umarex, since they're essentially ruining an amazing line of guns. Unless KRISS comes out with a good convincing reason for why this happened I now feel the same way about them; ruining a good product line for the sake of maximum profits is shortsighted, and in the end there's no variety left, just "top selling item 1, 2 and 3."

Indeed, i still want to know what happened exactly that would make KRISS pull the plug...  I don't think the problem is trademarking issues, i mean i haven't seen any non-kwa vectors anywhere.

As for the possible rarity of the gun i think thats a major point against it.  If its a rare gun then you can kiss any cool aftermarket possibilities goodbye since no company is going to want to put in the R&D to create a product for such a small target audience.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 03:36 AM

Why is it that both of the two best licensing contracts have been discontinued in a mater of a few months?  Already sad enough to hear that my KWA MP7 magazines and parts are no longer being mad, but know my backup plan is gone too! GOOD GOD, why is this so. I highly doubt that this is all KWA's fault, just poor planning playing out.  Really poor planning!  I believe the KRISS would be just as popular, in fact I believe it would more popular than the well known MP7.  It seriously would have a great market.  This kind of stuff does not make me mad, just really, really sad. Hope this is just one late April fools joke that went to far!

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 03:42 AM

IIRC the actual "V" mechanism on the kriss is patented/trademarked so is this a case of KWA being punished for not stopping RAtech etc from producing modified knock offs?

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 05:25 AM

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Nope... KWA is done.  They can no longer produce and distribute the GBB Vector.  Nor the AEG version that's in the work since last year.  I know.... I was there.

Perhaps a better question should be asked "What did Yih Kai (KWA's manufacturer and owner) have done to ###### off Kriss?"  

There is not much more I can say publicly at this moment.  But I will say this.... what they did, not only cause one person to quit US office.  More than HALF of KWA staffs in US have QUIT their job.  Think about that.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 05:28 AM

 hunter512, on 19 April 2013 - 03:42 AM, said:

IIRC the actual "V" mechanism on the kriss is patented/trademarked so is this a case of KWA being punished for not stopping RAtech etc from producing modified knock offs?

Based on the wording of the release, that's what I was also thinking. Kriss Arms could have terminated the contract if they felt KWA was not doing enough to stop the production of aftermarket parts that would replace patented parts.


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 05:36 AM

It's gotta be more than that, in my opinion. Whatever happened had KWA employees leave in droves, it seems excessive

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 06:28 AM

Don't believe everything that you read guys. And to say that KWA employees QUIT....um, not really truth either. Allen quit, yes...can't say the same for everyone else.




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