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#1 CynicBlue

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 12:30 AM

So my gun is only a week old and I have a problem that doesn't see like it happens ofter. I can't seem to switch my gun to safe when the gun is decocked. I can only so it when its cocked. Is there any quick solution to this or should I send it in since I'm still under warranty?

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 08:25 AM

I believe that's how the real safeties work in real pistols (at least most pistols) for example the Glock 18c, you can't change the fire mode unless the slide is in the locked position or "cocked back". Also for HK45, you can't switch it to safe unless the gun is cocked. This is much like the AR-15's or the KWA LM4, you can't switch it to safe unless the hammer is cocked. So don't be worried that's how it's suppose to be.

ALSO DO NOT ATTEMPT TO SWITCH THE GUN TO SAFE WHEN IT IS DECOCKED IT CAN BREAK SOMETHING. Seeing as you already did just refrain from doing it again. It's fine.

Edited by Airsoftguy, 04 February 2013 - 11:37 AM.


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Posted 04 February 2013 - 08:27 AM

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Edited by Airsoftguy, 04 February 2013 - 11:37 AM.


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Posted 04 February 2013 - 09:55 AM

The real HK45 (and HK USP-series) can be carried in Double Action mode (decocked) with or without the safety engaged.

KWA is very good about duplicating the real guns so I'm guessing there's something wrong here.  I can't find a copy of the airsoft manual but it will contain a warning if the system is different.

The M16/AR15/LM4 is different and can't be safed unless cocked.  KWA has duplicated the real system very nicely.  But it's an entirely different trigger/safety system.

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Edited by Chuck S, 04 February 2013 - 03:43 PM.


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Posted 04 February 2013 - 09:57 AM

so it's not like the usp? I use to own one and if I recall you could switch it to safe while it was decock.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:42 PM

The HK45 is EXACTLY like the USP -- the real ones anyway.  It can be carried in Double Action mode (decocked) with or withOUT the safety engaged.

Anyone got the KWA HK45 manual?  It should provide the answers to what we're all guessing at.  :)

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Edited by Chuck S, 04 February 2013 - 03:43 PM.


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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:28 PM

My HK45's kind of weird with this. Sometimes it will switch to safe on decock, sometimes it wont. But on half-cock it works every time.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:34 PM

Yeah that happening to mines too. Occasionally it'll go to safe when it's decock but I don't want to risk breaking anything. Safety isn't too important I guess. If this were to happen on my real steel, I'd be super worry.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 06:41 AM

CB - Did you decock the gun after it cycled with a gas filled mag, or did you dry fire the gun to drop the hammer and then try to put it in safe?

So long as you decock the hammer, using the decocking lever, after cycling with gas in the mag (not by dry firing), you can engage the safety.  Also, you can carry in double action mode (as Chuck said) and the gun will fire with the safety off.  Now, if you pull the mag (or have an empty one inserted), dry fire the gun to drop the hammer (no blow back), and attempt to place the gun into safe, you can't do it.  Also, while the hammer will cycle, the gun won't fire even if the mag has gas in it.  The slide must be racked, the firing mechanism set, and then you can fire the gun.  FYI, dry firing is not recommended.

Hope this helps.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 05:45 AM

Thanks.  Good to know there is no problem!

The real HK45/45C/USP V1 - V4 decocker drops the hammer to a safe position, not quite touching the firing pin.  This is not a true "half cock" but works the same.  If dry fired or a failure to fire the hammer rests on the firing pin until the trigger is released.  I'm not sure the KWA model does..

I can't recall if the real pistols can be safed in the hammer resting on the firing pin, there certainly would be no need to safe them.  I converted my HK pistols to LEM long ago and while I know the levers are somewhere I ain't putting one back in one of the pistols to confirm!  :)

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Edited by Chuck S, 09 February 2013 - 05:47 AM.





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