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#1 Lemontree

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 05:10 PM

I received a JG M4 magazine. Without oiling it, the magazine would give me many misfires (could also be because I started using G&G .25's for games at the same time). Sometimes I would have a few BBs fall out or even as many as three. I thought it was a barel/hop up issues so I checked and cleaned both. I still had the same problem, so I watched a youtube video and popped the magazine internals out and oiled them using silicone spray. Now my hop up is almost non existant. They shoot flat but turning up the hop up does nothing, where as before it would make them fly upwards. Im using a G&G green bucking (which works great).

I only sprayed a few sprays. Is it likely that the silicon oil got in the barel and is causing this issue? What should I do in the future? I ran about 100 BBs in a few times into a plastic bag to try to collect some of the oil a few times from the magazine. What should I do in the future? I will check the barrel asap, but it is dark out so I cannot test my results.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 05:33 PM

JG Magazine:
- My last brand new JG magazine that came with the gun gave me problems from the start. It is just a bad mag.
The spring would wind, but would not release every time, thus not pushing the bb's up the bb tube.
This results in dry firing.
- Oil will do nothing for your mag.
You can have much better luck removing the one screw at the base of the mag, removing the mag assembly from the outer case, and then washing everything with warm soap and water.
Use hair dryer to dry it.

BB's:
Sometimes, bb brands are just not very good or have bad production runs.
It should really help for you to wash your bb's. There are different approaches to doing this.
One way would be to soak them for an hour in a degreaser, rinse them off in a strainer, then soak them for an hour in soap and water, then rinse them off. This can remove excess chalky film from the bb's coating. Pat down with a towel and allow proper dry time.

Hop-up:
When you installed the G&G Green Bucking, did you dis-assemble the hop-up unit, or do a straight install? A straight install could have pushed the Nub out of place.
Another possibility is that the Nub you are using is a bit too thick, even stock Nubs can be too thick and get stuck in the On position.
Try trimming the width of your nub with a razor blade. Use the width of the razor as your measuring tool.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 05:53 PM

What do you mean oil does nothing? It helps the bbs feed. Lubricant.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 06:04 PM

No it doesn't it attracts dirt....never oil a mag

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 06:26 PM

no it doesnt. dont dunk your mags in dirt. why do you oil your barrel? It sucks up dirt also when the air retreats from the piston.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 07:27 PM

View Postmockingshot, on 24 January 2013 - 06:26 PM, said:

no it doesnt. dont dunk your mags in dirt. why do you oil your barrel? It sucks up dirt also when the air retreats from the piston.
I don't oil my mags or my barrel....Doing so fouls the barrel, reduces hop-up by foiling the bucking, reduces accuracy...

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 07:54 PM

Yeah no, I am also one that does not oil the barrel, mag track, hop up, or any of that sort.
It will just reduce efficiency by weighing down your BBs, hop up wont get correct contact, will attract dirt, etc. Its just not good.
Dont do it!

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 08:17 PM

View Postmockingshot, on 24 January 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

What do you mean oil does nothing? It helps the bbs feed. Lubricant.

Oil in the magazine of an airsoft gun is not fantastic.
It attracts dirt, takes a long time to dissapate, and can alter your bb's ability to feed and perform normally in flight.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 08:29 PM

Not to mention you've got that gunk and oil going up into your hop up assembly, and possibly ruining your hop up bucking...

Not a great idea to use silicon spray either.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 10:25 PM

Silicone Spray is known to have more than just 100% Silicone Oil. Depending on brand of silicone spray and type of rubber, the reaction between the silicone spray additives and the rubber can really distort the shape of the bucking.

That is why, KWA recommends to use their silicone oil or RC Shock Oil wt. 25. Both are pure silicone oil without the additives.

Luckily, G&G buckings do not react as badly to silicone spray as most other buckings do.

Follow these guides on 'How to Clean Your Kwa IB, Hop Up, and Bucking' (http://kwausa.com/fo...?showtopic=4787) and you should see your positive results come back.

Also, go clean that magazine, and if it has problems feeding, then it'll probably be best to use a different magazine.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:46 AM

Trust me I've ruined(kinda) 2 mags by oiling then. Do not do it.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:18 AM

Gas magazines (like the LM4) may need the occasional small drop of silicone oil on the charging O-ring but AEG magazines, like their real counterparts, should never be oiled for the reasons mentioned earlier.

If you're having magazine problems you'll need to disassemble and clean them.  I'm sure there are several good videos on this.  I had problems with the wind up mag furnished with my KM4-CQB and a few minutes of careful and patient work had her back in operation using one of the videos.

-- Chuck

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:14 PM

Thanks for the info everyone.

Ill open it up and clean it asap. I used AMSOIL silicone spray: Posted Image




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