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Posted 22 January 2013 - 11:42 AM

View PostChuck S, on 22 January 2013 - 07:35 AM, said:

Ben --

I don't doubt your good experiemce with propane.  The problem is your experience is that of one guy.

I'm sure there's someone out there lubricating his 5.56mm M4 Carbine or AR15 with KY-Jelly with no problems.  But don't expect a big DOD contract for this stuff to replace military CLP.  :)

Use our-of-spec products at your own risk.  When in doubt RTFM, those factory boys actually test this stuff and occasionally know what they're doing.

The price of green gas is, of course, obscene.  I have no insider knowledge but am convinced the cans are all filled at one or two places and they put whatever label the customer wants -- this is called private labelling.  You can bet KWA is buying green gas as well as buying their branded BBs.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 11:46 AM

I Love their BB's! No gimmicks there the only consistency I see about BB's is that the pricier ones work and cheap ones break your gun.

KWA BB's are not even expensive...

Has anyone ever played paintball BB=CHEAP no matter what brand!!

If you have a volume issue try semi haha

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:40 AM

View PostBENboBEN, on 21 January 2013 - 05:20 PM, said:

I will argue that GG is not more reliable. For one, I mentioned the metal fill nozzle. Look in the threads for each gun on here and in every one, someone will start a post yelling at KWA because "I use nothing but GG and I've had the gun for a week, now all my mags leak, KWA sucks!" and I get tired of those posts. The metal fill nozzles are pure torture to the fill valve.


We actually get more calls and Help Desk tickets about o-rings popping out from users that are using a propane adapter. I personally have never lost an o-ring in the three years of using my KWA pistols and only use green gas. I also believe that it is the way some people are filling their magazines. I've watched people at the fields and see how hard they are on the valves. They press too hard, don't insert the nozzle straight down and they shake the can back and forth as they fill...which does nothing. I always press straight down, with even pressure and have never had one pop out on me. Yes I work for the company, but I have years of experience just like the rest of you and I see and hear where the issues are first hand. My job is to pay attention to these kinds of things. I actually follow our users on the field to see how they operate our products. I hand out o-rings on the field and then teach people how to properly fill. They usually just don't understand the proper way to do it.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:23 PM

View PostxKingSizex, on 23 January 2013 - 11:40 AM, said:

We actually get more calls and Help Desk tickets about o-rings popping out from users that are using a propane adapter. I personally have never lost an o-ring in the three years of using my KWA pistols and only use green gas. I also believe that it is the way some people are filling their magazines. I've watched people at the fields and see how hard they are on the valves. They press too hard, don't insert the nozzle straight down and they shake the can back and forth as they fill...which does nothing. I always press straight down, with even pressure and have never had one pop out on me. Yes I work for the company, but I have years of experience just like the rest of you and I see and hear where the issues are first hand. My job is to pay attention to these kinds of things. I actually follow our users on the field to see how they operate our products. I hand out o-rings on the field and then teach people how to properly fill. They usually just don't understand the proper way to do it.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 01:15 PM

I wasn't battling anyone on right or wrong, just sharing my personal experience. I know people pop them out with green gas cans as well, and didn't mean to imply that it didn't happen. So you're not wrong, but our numbers show that most o-rings are popped out from propane adapters...both metal and plastic.
Again, I really think it comes down to the user.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 12:35 PM

There are many of you that are very vocal about how commercial propane has worked well for you but let me tell you that there are about the same number of people, if not more, that report major problems caused by propane use.  KWA keeps a log of all the repair  tickets that come across their desk and it's not surprising that KWA recommends use of GG in their GBB guns.




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