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#1 Cerveza

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 07:51 AM

I noticed the USP's are gone from the main website, along with the MP7.

Site updates or dropped items?

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 08:36 AM

Yes, they are dropping their entire H&K line

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 10:59 AM

Can a KWA staff member please come here and confirm what's happening to the H&K guns? Are they gonna continue to be OEM'ed to Umarex? Or no?

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 04:20 PM

Regrettably, because of reasons beyond our control, KWA no longer distributes HK licensed products.  Warranty service, replacement parts, and technical support will still be available to KWA customers.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 06:20 PM

What!? f*cking VFC is bull sh*t and doesn't even know how to make a GBB, stupid Umarex.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 06:52 PM

I still see some of KWA's gbb guns on Umarex's website such as the MP7 (for an increased price of $299.99) and the USP/ and USP Compact.... now I've heard two things. Which is true? Is KWA the OEM for these guns and Umarex sells them as their own? Or is KWA not making these guns at all anymore?

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 06:30 AM

We need 2 questions asked with a yes or a no.

1. Will KWA continue to make, not distribute, make guns in the HK lineup?

2. Will KWA continue to make magazines for the HK lineup?

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 10:19 AM

Anyone??

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 10:34 AM

The distribution agreement between KWA and Umarex expired and will not be extended.  All KWA HK products including magazines will only be distributed by Umarex. -- Radix

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:49 PM

View PostRadix, on 24 January 2013 - 10:34 AM, said:

The distribution agreement between KWA and Umarex expired and will not be extended.  All KWA HK products including magazines will only be distributed by Umarex. -- Radix
But are the guns still going to be made?

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 09:43 PM

So is that a yes? I'm very slow today.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 09:55 PM

View PostBENboBEN, on 24 January 2013 - 09:43 PM, said:

So is that a yes? I'm very slow today.
Ben, here's a video that was, uh shared to me and I think it explains what happened pretty well.

http://youtu.be/Xa43NJiNbBw?t=2m59s


KWA will make the guns, Umarex will distribute (sell to the retailers) the guns.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 09:58 PM

View PostBENboBEN, on 24 January 2013 - 09:43 PM, said:

So is that a yes? I'm very slow today.

That is a yes. KWA is still going to build the HK products they have been making, but now they are going to be sold exclusively as Umarex.



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Posted 24 January 2013 - 10:03 PM

Hmm... interesting... the guy didn't mention the HK45...


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Posted 24 January 2013 - 10:23 PM

View PostR_King91303, on 24 January 2013 - 10:03 PM, said:

Hmm... interesting... the guy didn't mention the HK45...
I think he did, first one. It was sitting there on the rack. Anyways, good news to see that theyre still sticking around. Still hate Umarex, but, doesn't do any good to complain about it.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:00 AM

(We are a dealer, hopefully not stepping on any toes by posting here!)

As a dealer, after talking to our new sales rep at Elite Force:

- KWA still makes the guns at their factories, but they are shipped directly to Umarex/Elite Force and never touch KWA's warehouse in California.
- Umarex/Elite Force is the sole supplier (except for middle-level distributors) for H&K branded products beginning right now.
- Several models have been dropped, presumably due to poor sales, which we did experience as a dealer on the dropped models: no more tactical version of USP or USP Compact (with the threads and higher-profile sights), no more USP Match, and no more MK23 USSOCOM (that's the only one I'm upset about - we didn't sell many, but it was an awesome gun!) Also, no more 20rd MP7 mags (that was also a handy feature for players using it as a sidearm and not wanting a long mag poking out). Finally, no more KWA-made G36C hicaps, only ones made by a third-party (saw some at SHOT Show, not all that different than the KWA mag, and it's not hard to get a G36 hicap right anyway...)

So, you will still be able to get the "licensed by Umarex, OEM by KWA" versions of the G36C AEG, USP, USP Compact, HK45, and MP7, probably from the same stores you did before, but those stores will be buying them via Umarex/Elite Force instead of KWA. The guns that your dealer was buying last year were licensed by Umarex, OEM by KWA, just as they are now. The only difference is that they don't come through KWA's facility in the US, and therefore might go through a different QC process before going to you. Prices moved up a bit, but maybe that'll balance out supply and demand and we'll actually be able to keep G36Cs in stock for once!

For what it's worth, the product header the KWA products are under on our price list from Elite Force says "60 days to 1 year warranty", but I'm still not clear on which products have what warranty period. However, KWA's previous warranty was 45 days, so the new warranty period is at least 15 days longer =)

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:13 AM

So, will the discontinued guns (MK23) still have mags available?

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:36 AM

While I know my MP7A1 was manufactured by KWA it is, and was sold as, a Umarex product.  As I've noted before my MP7A1 has a one (1) year warranty thru Umarex, there is no mention at all in the owner's manual of KWA and just a small notation on the box.  

I bought it, however, thinking it was a KWA.  :)  And we know it is.  Under the trademarks.

With the different warranty period I suspect there is a different serial number series for those guns sold by KWA.

I suspect the KWA marketed HK models were putting a huge dent in Umarex sales based on my own perceived ideas of the company reputations.

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