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SAVE: The Relentless Pursuit to Outperform:KWA KM4 Series


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Posted 16 February 2009 - 10:46 AM

Looking at the picture you'll notice that KWA does not conforms to conventional airsoft rules (standard cylinder types).  The location of the vents are strategically placed and sized to achieve optimum balance within the system.

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Posted 16 February 2009 - 02:52 PM

NICE! Looking forward to March 13th

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Posted 16 February 2009 - 07:44 PM

OMG amazing, I was one the unlucky ones who striped a set of gears (sector to spur)  The only thing I have against making that line of teeth so wide is that it makes the other teeth really skinny  :unsure:

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Posted 17 February 2009 - 12:08 AM

So are th 09 models going to be a lot different? Like everyone is getting so pumped for the 09's... Doesn't seem like there's going to be a huge difference between the 09's and the regular ones... I mean sure, even the litte things make the gun better, but is it really going to be that different from my 1st or 2nd generation M4?

Also, i just bought the KM16BR. Got it  few days ago. Should i have waited to get the 09 model or is it going to be pretty much the same?

Also x2, I know that you can tell which generation you have by if the body says "KWA" or "KWA Corporation", but how can i tell if mine is 1st or 2nd gen? Like i bought my M4 on May 9th 08, what generation might that be?

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Posted 17 February 2009 - 04:57 AM

 Goober135, on Feb 17 2009, 03:08 AM, said:

So are th 09 models going to be a lot different? Like everyone is getting so pumped for the 09's... Doesn't seem like there's going to be a huge difference between the 09's and the regular ones... I mean sure, even the litte things make the gun better, but is it really going to be that different from my 1st or 2nd generation M4?

Also, i just bought the KM16BR. Got it  few days ago. Should i have waited to get the 09 model or is it going to be pretty much the same?

Also x2, I know that you can tell which generation you have by if the body says "KWA" or "KWA Corporation", but how can i tell if mine is 1st or 2nd gen? Like i bought my M4 on May 9th 08, what generation might that be?

Thanks!
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I think the biggest difference you will see in terms of shooting performance is due to the new bucking, which you could easily drop in your KM16BR. Buckings are pretty cheap, even rediculously over priced buckings never exceed $20. Since you just purchased it, I think you should have almost all the newest gearbox parts and designs. I too just recently purchase a KM16BR, and I have the new bucking in it with an EDGI custom 6.01mm, its very good, you won't be disappointed.

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Posted 17 February 2009 - 06:26 AM

 Goober135, on Feb 17 2009, 12:08 AM, said:

So are th 09 models going to be a lot different? Like everyone is getting so pumped for the 09's... Doesn't seem like there's going to be a huge difference between the 09's and the regular ones... I mean sure, even the litte things make the gun better, but is it really going to be that different from my 1st or 2nd generation M4?

Also, i just bought the KM16BR. Got it  few days ago. Should i have waited to get the 09 model or is it going to be pretty much the same?

Also x2, I know that you can tell which generation you have by if the body says "KWA" or "KWA Corporation", but how can i tell if mine is 1st or 2nd gen? Like i bought my M4 on May 9th 08, what generation might that be?

Thanks!
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Majority of the new improvements are internal and were designed to increase the overall reliability of the gun. Your average users are not going to "feel" the significants of the improvements especially comparing all the generations side by side.

Most, if not all, of the KM4/KM16 Series in our dealers' current inventory have the '09/2nd generation improvements already.  It was our goal to ease the transition between 1st and 2nd generation by including some of the '09/2nd generation internals in the latest built.   The '09/2 Gen guns won't be shipping anytime soon so it would have been a long wait for you. :)

All KM4/16 series guns up to this point are considered 1st generation.  However, we've had several minor revisions through out the year.  If your gun does not exhibit any abnormality then you don't have to worry about upgrading the parts until they've worn out.

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Posted 17 February 2009 - 09:50 AM

 Radix, on Feb 17 2009, 06:26 AM, said:

Most, if not all, of the KM4/KM16 Series in our dealers' current inventory have the '09/2nd generation improvements already.  It was our goal to ease the transition between 1st and 2nd generation by including some of the '09/2nd generation internals in the latest built.   The '09/2 Gen guns won't be shipping anytime soon so it would have been a long wait for you. :)

Wait so I am confused...

I thought the latest batch with the enhanced trigger post was the second gen (it says KWA on the side)?

I ordered mine on December 28, 2008. Do I have any of the 09 impovements (I know I don't have the new bucking)? If so, which ones?

Also, are the gears in my version heat-treated on both sides?

Sorry I am just really confused...and I don't feel like opening my gun up  :lol:

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Posted 17 February 2009 - 10:30 AM

 Sgt12Cougar, on Feb 17 2009, 09:50 AM, said:

Wait so I am confused...

I thought the latest batch with the enhanced trigger post was the second gen (it says KWA on the side)?

I ordered mine on December 28, 2008. Do I have any of the 09 impovements (I know I don't have the new bucking)? If so, which ones?

Also, are the gears in my version heat-treated on both sides?

Sorry I am just really confused...and I don't feel like opening my gun up  :lol:

Your confused because we gave too much information. :D

The enhanced trigger post is a feature found on the 2nd gen guns but is available now in the current built. If the retailers received their guns from us in the month of December than it will more than likely have this feature.

Heat treated gears were implemented in the 3rd quarter of 2008 so most guns out there will have them.

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Posted 17 February 2009 - 10:33 AM

 Radix, on Feb 17 2009, 10:30 AM, said:

Your confused because we gave too much information. :D

The enhanced trigger post is a feature found on the 2nd gen guns but is available now in the current built. If the retailers received their guns from us in the month of December than it will more than likely have this feature.

Heat treated gears were implemented in the 3rd quarter of 2008 so most guns out there will have them.

Beautiful thanks Radix. You guys should state in all of your further updates which ones are already in KWAs. Just a suggestion. Thanks.  :)

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Posted 18 February 2009 - 05:49 PM

 allizard, on Feb 18 2009, 08:39 PM, said:

Today I'm going to show few more minor improvement on the body.  This is what it's going to be on the 2009 model.

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Metal nut insert is now on the new 2009 grip.  

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Bottom - Original motor plate.
Middle - Current production, this is implemented since the release of M4 CQB.
Top - 2009 model.

And... I will quote the following from Radix

Sweet, but what does this actually do/improve?

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Posted 18 February 2009 - 06:12 PM

Are you guys allowed to give out any information about new GBB Models? Or hint us that you will be releasing some new GBB models with NS2?   :D

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Posted 18 February 2009 - 07:16 PM

 engl4nd24, on Feb 18 2009, 08:49 PM, said:

Sweet, but what does this actually do/improve?


The metal nuts in the pistol grip prevent the screws from stripping, before it was metal on plastic, now it's metal on metal. The new production motor plate uses a flat head screw to adjust the motor height instead of a Allen key. This is an advantage becasue flat head are much more common to find the a specific Allen key.

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Posted 18 February 2009 - 07:25 PM

 YoYo, on Feb 18 2009, 06:12 PM, said:

Are you guys allowed to give out any information about new GBB Models? Or hint us that you will be releasing some new GBB models with NS2?   :D

Wrong section.  This is for 2009 M4 discussion.  And no, we are not talking about up and coming models until March 13th.

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Posted 19 February 2009 - 10:49 AM

 allizard, on Feb 18 2009, 05:39 PM, said:

Today I'm going to show few more minor improvement on the body.  This is what it's going to be on the 2009 model.

Posted Image
Metal nut insert is now on the new 2009 grip.  

Posted Image
Bottom - Original motor plate.
Middle - Current production, this is implemented since the release of M4 CQB.
Top - 2009 model.

And... I will quote the following from Radix


You really have the ball rolling here!  Its nothing I would consider  "minor".

I really wish you could get the aluminum body Anodized with trades But you guys are too busy with performance and reliability I do understand that looks should be the least of your concern.

Awsome work! keep it coming!

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Posted 19 February 2009 - 01:58 PM

 karMeister, on Feb 19 2009, 01:49 PM, said:

You really have the ball rolling here!  Its nothing I would consider  "minor".

I really wish you could get the aluminum body Anodized with trades But you guys are too busy with performance and reliability I do understand that looks should be the least of your concern.

Awsome work! keep it coming!

Yeah if they get the externals looking good, this will be the best gun you can get for 1000 EASILY. It already is really, internally speaking. I'd love to seem some trades though.

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Posted 19 February 2009 - 04:05 PM

 allizard, on Feb 18 2009, 07:39 PM, said:

Today I'm going to show few more minor improvement on the body.  This is what it's going to be on the 2009 model.

Posted Image
Metal nut insert is now on the new 2009 grip.  

Posted Image
Bottom - Original motor plate.
Middle - Current production, this is implemented since the release of M4 CQB.
Top - 2009 model.

And... I will quote the following from Radix

I can't believe I just ordered a new pistol grip just to hear this will come out  :o

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Posted 19 February 2009 - 04:09 PM

 engl4nd24, on Feb 19 2009, 01:58 PM, said:

Yeah if they get the externals looking good, this will be the best gun you can get for 1000 EASILY. It already is really, internally speaking. I'd love to seem some trades though.

2009/2G Externals will be discussed last.  ;)

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Posted 19 February 2009 - 05:40 PM

 Radix, on Feb 19 2009, 07:09 PM, said:

2009/2G Externals will be discussed last.  ;)

Oh man, Im excited now.

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Posted 19 February 2009 - 06:57 PM

Okay, so if I go out tomorrow and buy a KMA4, will it have the new bucking, new grip plate, etc?

Or should I wait until March?

Reason I ask is because I was gonna buy one, tomorrow. No kidding.

Now I'm thinking maybe I should hold off for another month...

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Posted 19 February 2009 - 07:34 PM

 Toadvine, on Feb 19 2009, 06:57 PM, said:

Okay, so if I go out tomorrow and buy a KMA4, will it have the new bucking, new grip plate, etc?

Or should I wait until March?

Reason I ask is because I was gonna buy one, tomorrow. No kidding.

Now I'm thinking maybe I should hold off for another month...

March 13th is announcement of new products, ship date will be late 2nd quarter.




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