Jump to content


Practicality of a red dot sight?


  • Please log in to reply
15 replies to this topic

#1 EdwardFisher

EdwardFisher

    Enthusiast

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 79 posts
  • Country:

Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:32 PM

Hey everyone, so I'm in the market for some accessories for my Kwa sr10, I play woodland and a bit of outdoor cqb. I keep hearing red dot sight coming up, does a red dot serve a purpose in airsoft or is it just to look tacticool? If so what other accessories can you suggest?

#2 Chuck S

Chuck S

    Guru

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 1,256 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Cleveland, Ohio
  • Country:

Posted 05 October 2012 - 02:22 AM

"Accessories" in airsoft are mainly "Barbie for boys."  Dress up and make believe. Just like most accessories for the 5.56mm versions. :)

A good red dot sight serves the same purpose here as it does in the 5.56mm world, offering quick shots on target with both eyes open for threat awareness and target transition.  The loose airsoft trajectory and large group sizes make the sights less precise than the real world and after only a bit of experience you will probably see the BBs in flight making target adjustment easy and any sights just a means of getting close.

Right now all of my 5.56mm carbines have either real Aimpoint or EoTech sights any one of which costs more than a LM4 with several magazines.  I'm experimenting with an Aimpoint clone at present but these have dimmer optics and the trajectory issue remains.  

-- Chuck

#3 EdwardFisher

EdwardFisher

    Enthusiast

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 79 posts
  • Country:

Posted 05 October 2012 - 02:53 AM

Hey chuck! Thanks for the reply, that's pretty amazing heh. I think I'll get a red dot sight and see how it goes, just curious if it's worth the weight. My Kwa sr10 is definately not a light weapon hehehe.

-Kindest of regards
-Edward

#4 Chuck S

Chuck S

    Guru

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 1,256 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Cleveland, Ohio
  • Country:

Posted 05 October 2012 - 05:21 AM

I have the Sightmark Aimpoint clone on my S&W M&P15-22 (.22LR) rifle and have tried it on my airsofts but not enough time with it yet to determine how well it works at airsoft ranges.  As pictured it needs a higher mount to properly co-witness with the iron sights and be out of the way -- you essentially are looking over the iron sights when using the dot.  A 5 MOA dot is too large for 5.56mm in my experience but for airsoft (and .22LR) ain't bad as the ranges are much closer.  A 5 MOA dot is 5" wide at 100 yards, 2.5" at 50 yards, and
about 3/4" at 50 feet.

Note the sight height above bore on the M16-system is wonderful for a 200 meter zero with 5.56mm with a muzzle velocity in the 2700fps plus speed range but at shorter airsoft ranges at velocities below 400-ish fps the dot may have some issues (still not sure).  The clones usually have parallax issues meaning they don't shoot consistently at different ranges other than your zero range.  A 200 meter zero works extremely well in 5.56mm but is impossible with airsoft.

The Sightmark sight, on a higher, cantilevered mount, shows on the top rifle in this quick photo.  The two middle rifles (LWRC carbines) have genuine Aimpoint (2 MOA) and EoTech sights on them -- prohibitively expensive for airsoft (or .22LR).

Most of these clones look and act alike.  The Sightmark version has worked well on my M&P15-22.

Posted Image

The clones typically use tiny little batteries and burn them out quickly, but they can be bulk purchased on line.

BTW.  Since I purchased my LM4-PTR the M&P15-22 hasn't been off the rack.

-- Chuck

#5 R_King91303

R_King91303

    Specialist

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 461 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Canoga Park, CA
  • Interests:Airsoft, Texas Hold'em, Research (learning new shizz)
  • Country:

Posted 05 October 2012 - 11:39 AM

Depending on your eye protection and ability to pick up the BBs in flight, sights aren't necessary.

IMO as far as the red dot's, they pretty much all function the same, so all it really comes down to is style & budget; I'd stay away from the expensive optics unless you are okay in knowing that the glass will eventually getting shot out.


Posted from my iPhone

#6 akiraspeedstar

akiraspeedstar

    Guru

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 1,130 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Country:

Posted 05 October 2012 - 01:36 PM

Be wary if what you're putting the red dot on if you're buying a replica. I've gone through 4 replicas (2x G&P and 2x no name), they don't seem to like recoil (TM Recoil & LM4).

I wish I had just spent the $200 originally on a Vortex Sparc as I just bought one yesterday. These are getting great reviews in the RS world and seem to be able to take a beating.

Edited by akiraspeedstar, 05 October 2012 - 01:38 PM.


#7 R_King91303

R_King91303

    Specialist

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 461 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Canoga Park, CA
  • Interests:Airsoft, Texas Hold'em, Research (learning new shizz)
  • Country:

Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:12 PM

View Postakiraspeedstar, on 05 October 2012 - 01:36 PM, said:

Be wary if what you're putting the red dot on if you're buying a replica. I've gone through 4 replicas (2x G&P and 2x no name), they don't seem to like recoil (TM Recoil & LM4).

Yea.. I forgot to account for the recent trend of "recoil" simulation platforms... with those it's going to be hit or miss. My holo clone and NCStar red dot appear to handle the LM4.


Posted from my iPhone

#8 Chuck S

Chuck S

    Guru

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 1,256 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Cleveland, Ohio
  • Country:

Posted 06 October 2012 - 03:14 AM

The Sightmark Aimpoint clone I mentioned earlier in my S&W M&P15-22 has no issues with the recoil on this carbine and I doubt it will when I move it over to my LM4 which seems to have about the same recoil pulse.  

I've run some under-$50 dot sights on my M4 Carbine but the price point seems to be about $80 (less mount) and up for some decent ruggedness.  Note the optics get clearer as the price goes up, some of these are pretty "grey" looking thru them.  If in doubt and for guaranteed optics and ruggedness I know for sure an $800 Aimpoint CompM4 will work fine!  ;)

Don't overlook used real-steel dot sights, they're for sale on AR15 dot com all the time.  A first generation Aimpoint CompM or CompML (the non-NVD version) remains a wonderful sight and quantums better than any clone.  Improvements in later versions are mainly in how long and what battery is used.  

The photo show my original M68 CCO (Aimpoint CompM) on my lightweight LWRC 5.56mm carbine.  This was a private purchase off the first Army contract and has been in operation for over 15 years.  I ain't selling it cheap, but there are lots of the ML versions out there as folks upgrade them.

Posted Image

-- Chuck

#9 gcw360

gcw360

    Supreme Guru

  • Super Moderator
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 11,511 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New Jersey
  • Interests:Airsoft (Especially repair and customizing), Fly Fishing, Fossils (Especially Dino), Snakes, Photography
  • Country:

Posted 25 December 2012 - 11:26 AM

View Postakiraspeedstar, on 05 October 2012 - 01:36 PM, said:

Be wary if what you're putting the red dot on if you're buying a replica. I've gone through 4 replicas (2x G&P and 2x no name), they don't seem to like recoil (TM Recoil & LM4).

I wish I had just spent the $200 originally on a Vortex Sparc as I just bought one yesterday. These are getting great reviews in the RS world and seem to be able to take a beating.
Akira - Ever since you posted this I have been looking at the Vortex Sparc, thank you!  Just unwrapped one today.  This is a great red dot for the money.  FYI, they were selling at B&H photo for 189.00.  Best price I've seen recently.

#10 akiraspeedstar

akiraspeedstar

    Guru

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 1,130 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Country:

Posted 25 December 2012 - 12:16 PM

View Postgcw360, on 25 December 2012 - 11:26 AM, said:

Akira - Ever since you posted this I have been looking at the Vortex Sparc, thank you!  Just unwrapped one today.  This is a great red dot for the money.  FYI, they were selling at B&H photo for 189.00.  Best price I've seen recently.

Thought I had posted about their warranty, but anyways another thing great about Vortex is that they'll replace/fix your red dot for free as long as it wasn't intentional damage. My sight got shot out (BUY A KILL FLASH) and they replaced the whole red dot for free!

This was before I sent it in...

Posted Image

Edited by akiraspeedstar, 25 December 2012 - 12:17 PM.


#11 gcw360

gcw360

    Supreme Guru

  • Super Moderator
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 11,511 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New Jersey
  • Interests:Airsoft (Especially repair and customizing), Fly Fishing, Fossils (Especially Dino), Snakes, Photography
  • Country:

Posted 25 December 2012 - 04:23 PM

View Postakiraspeedstar, on 25 December 2012 - 12:16 PM, said:

Thought I had posted about their warranty, but anyways another thing great about Vortex is that they'll replace/fix your red dot for free as long as it wasn't intentional damage. My sight got shot out (BUY A KILL FLASH) and they replaced the whole red dot for free!

This was before I sent it in...

Posted Image
That's good info to have and yes, I have a KillFLASH on my list.  I use Lexan shields that I custom cut.  They are easy and cheep but the KillFLASH will look much better.  Thanks again.

#12 Guest_Hikaru_*

Guest_Hikaru_*
  • Guests

Posted 05 March 2013 - 03:15 PM

I found optics to be very useful in my experience.

#13 kwaispro727

kwaispro727

    Specialist

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 965 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New Jersey
  • Interests:Fishing, swimming, airsoft, real firearms, cars
  • Country:

Posted 05 March 2013 - 05:11 PM

I've found my engagements with my SR10 are never close enough to have to worry about my scope being shot.  Although I think now I'll need to figure something out for my MP7's red dot.

#14 Chuck S

Chuck S

    Guru

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 1,256 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Cleveland, Ohio
  • Country:

Posted 06 March 2013 - 04:19 AM

A kill flash cover will protect the front lens from BB damage to a great extent.  Or just keep the front cover closed and shoot with both eyes open like the original Armson occluded gunsights which don't even have a way to look thru them.

-- Chuck.

#15 akiraspeedstar

akiraspeedstar

    Guru

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 1,130 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Country:

Posted 06 March 2013 - 07:43 PM

A kill flash took a 400fps BB from about 40' away and it just dented it.

#16 gcw360

gcw360

    Supreme Guru

  • Super Moderator
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 11,511 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New Jersey
  • Interests:Airsoft (Especially repair and customizing), Fly Fishing, Fossils (Especially Dino), Snakes, Photography
  • Country:

Posted 06 March 2013 - 07:46 PM

View Postakiraspeedstar, on 06 March 2013 - 07:43 PM, said:

A kill flash took a 400fps BB from about 40' away and it just dented it.
Nice save!  I mean, how many time do you want to replace you SPARC anyway?




1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users