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#1 DocMayhem

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 11:07 AM

So my son and I went to use his new ATP and it doesn't work.  I fired once then wouldn't again.  Then it fired 2-3 times with one trigger pull and now the slide won't lock all the way forward.  If I pull on the sping guide, the slide will pull all the way back, but will not go all the way forward, so I can't get it apart.   It just will not slide off holding the take down bar down and will not go all the way forward, into "battery".

I have alot of real firarm experience, including Glock, that this is modeled after, and have done everything with AEG's including opening up gear boxes, so I know what I am doing.

So what to do?

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 11:35 AM

http://kwausa.com/fo...?showtopic=6488 and or
http://kwausa.com/fo...t=0
this should help, sorry for your trouble, KWA is very a very good company, once you solve this there should be no further problems, i love my ATP, you will like it once its fixed

Edited by Trevytrev, 26 December 2011 - 11:37 AM.


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Posted 26 December 2011 - 11:38 AM

Hey Doc - sorry you are having issues.  I am fully confident that you know your way around a Glock based on what you are saying.  I have to ask the basic questions though:
  • Have you removed the magazine prior to attempting to remove the slide?
  • Next, when you pull the slide back and allow it to return to battery, will the hammer release without the mag in the gun when the trigger is pulled?
  • If the answer is yes to both of these questions, is the slide lifting up as you slide it forward to remove it?  A thought I am having is if the spring guide is indeed in place, then perhaps the slide is getting hung up on the hammer.  In all honesty though, I think it's the spring guide. Try pulling the spring guide forward and reseating it so that is essentially protruding to the same extent as the outer barrel and try removing the slide again.
Let us know if this helps.  Then we can get on the the firing issues which is usually remedied by oiling the trigger assembly and trigger reset bar.

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 02:02 PM

The magazine is out of the gun.  The slide just will not come forward that last 1/16th - 1/8th inch.  I can pull the spring guide out and this allows the slide to be pulled back, but will not reset the trigger.  When I pull the slide back, the trigger moves back, but comes back with the slide and doesn't stay back like it should.  It does how ever feed if there was a magazine with loades with bb's.  This is my 4th KWA, we have 3 KWA M4's, a DEVGRU, M4 CQB, and an M4A1 that have all been rock solid reliable.  I realize a gas gun will be more finiky, but this doesn't ever work to be considered unreliable.

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 02:51 PM

So I reread some articles and got the slide off by holding the trigger forward.  The bushing was backwards, my bad for not looking first, but the magazines are dumping all the pressure ("venting?") with one trigger pull.  I have taken it apart and lubed stuff up, but the mags are dumping all their gas.  The valve on the mag seems to move freely, what am I missing?

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 04:36 PM

submit a ticket at the help desk and thats all i can tell you, sorry, they should help

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 05:11 PM

View PostDocMayhem, on 26 December 2011 - 02:51 PM, said:

So I reread some articles and got the slide off by holding the trigger forward.  The bushing was backwards, my bad for not looking first, but the magazines are dumping all the pressure ("venting?") with one trigger pull.  I have taken it apart and lubed stuff up, but the mags are dumping all their gas.  The valve on the mag seems to move freely, what am I missing?

That sounds like your hammer/firing assembly is not moving freely and the impact block is not resetting after each shot as the slide reracks. Try generously dropping some silicone oil in the mechanism I have mentioned and work it in. This will eliminate your issue until the mechanism moves freely on its own without much lubrication.

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 09:59 AM

The first one I took out of the box while standing at the counter of Atlanta Airsoft had a stuck slide. It was nice that the salesguy just brought me another from behind the counter. No other problems since. This was last week. They sell a lot of guns there I doubt those were sitting around for long.

Edited by philsaudio, 09 January 2012 - 02:33 AM.


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Posted 04 January 2012 - 07:22 AM

Those guys are always very helpful.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 04:56 AM

From the KWA DIY series.


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Posted 08 January 2012 - 09:10 AM

LOL
Few in the first batch of production had them either loose or backwards.  But that issue has been addressed in the later batches.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 09:34 AM

View Postniko_gpsy, on 08 January 2012 - 09:10 AM, said:

LOL
Few in the first batch of production had them either loose or backwards.  But that issue has been addressed in the later batches.

Probably one guy on the line that did not get the memo. LOL

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 12:01 PM

lets jsut hope that dosent happen on any further models like th m4 and akg gbbrs....

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 02:31 AM

View Postniko_gpsy, on 26 December 2011 - 05:11 PM, said:

That sounds like your hammer/firing assembly is not moving freely and the impact block is not resetting after each shot as the slide reracks. Try generously dropping some silicone oil in the mechanism I have mentioned and work it in. This will eliminate your issue until the mechanism moves freely on its own without much lubrication.

Question on lubing these parts "generously". After lubing, will it help to blow some 40 psi air into the trigger and hammer area to move that 100% silicone oil that came with the gun around into the parts? Then clean up the excess if there is any?

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 09:26 AM

View Postphilsaudio, on 09 January 2012 - 02:31 AM, said:


Question on lubing these parts "generously". After lubing, will it help to blow some 40 psi air into the trigger and hammer area to move that 100% silicone oil that came with the gun around into the parts? Then clean up the excess if there is any?
You can and it won't hurt the gun.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 11:24 AM

View Postphilsaudio, on 09 January 2012 - 02:31 AM, said:


Question on lubing these parts "generously". After lubing, will it help to blow some 40 psi air into the trigger and hammer area to move that 100% silicone oil that came with the gun around into the parts? Then clean up the excess if there is any?

I don't think "generously" is a good idea.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 01:35 PM

View PostAllizard, on 09 January 2012 - 11:24 AM, said:


I don't think "generously" is a good idea.

What is a good idea. Live with the problem or fix the problem how? How much is the right amount and where exactly do I oil. The trigger and hammer are all connected together. Please tell us what to do not what not to do.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 02:21 PM

i have found that lubing entire problem area until it funtions then wiping off excess works well, just dont do it very time, my pistols work great with 3 small drops in toatal, 1 in trigger area, 2 on slide

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 02:28 PM

View PostTrevytrev, on 09 January 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

i have found that lubing entire problem area until it funtions then wiping off excess works well, just dont do it very time, my pistols work great with 3 small drops in toatal, 1 in trigger area, 2 on slide
Reset bar, Hammer spring, hammer, look for the parts that move during hammer operation.  Lube, work in manually, then wipe excess.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 06:12 PM

And when I say "generously," just a few drops will suffice. I just know there will be some that will dump an entire bottle of silicone oil in there. lol




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