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#21 General Pickle

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 11:23 AM

I think the drum mag would be a great way to go, allowing people to have more capacity for those who want it, yet it still has the cost of your mobility and load carrying capacity. Hell, a GBBR drum mag would hold a LOT of gas...

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:09 PM

Drum mag haha I wouldn't carry it but I can see this is getting interesting. I think if they stick with the PMag and thin the walls and beef up the corners with bumper plastic it would be fine even if dropped. The feed lips would still be a issue. I have Magpul Ranger floor plates on all my mags. Not for the Nicky Neat factor but to lessen damage if I do a speed load without thinking. Which I have done more than once. I would rather buy a new mag than ruin my RS ingrained reflexes. So far lucky. I don't know about the rest of you guys but I can almost get 3 loads on one gas charge. Of course I live in the deep south. I'd give up that 3rd little bit of gas for more rounds even if it's just 10.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:16 PM

Ahh yes, you're blessed with the benefit of physics in this case. I live in southern Oregon, so during the summer all my gas guns work amazingly but during the winter months it can be a challenge to even get one magazine of BB's per full charge of gas. This winter I had a low of -4 degrees and while the KWA's still managed to work it was iffy at best. I think next season I will try wrapping foot warmers on the exteriors of the mags to see if that will be workable. What I would really like to see is an MG36 GBBR with the NS2/FV system, then the magazine could either be a modified LM4 mag or a special 'bull balls' drum mag, where you could easily find ways to hold more gas and BB's. Maybe with that extra space you could even include a gas warming unit :P

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 05:34 PM

You read my mind. Even-though I live here I can see the benefit of a mag warmer. They can add a LED to the hop-up to energize tracers why no a watch battery to a magazine to support a small warmer inside the chamber. Sort of like a light bulb filament. Now you know why I'm called NuttyP haha

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 05:38 PM

View PostThe Nutty Professor, on 15 May 2013 - 05:34 PM, said:

You read my mind. Even-though I live here I can see the benefit of a mag warmer. They can add a LED to the hop-up to energize tracers why no a watch battery to a magazine to support a small warmer inside the chamber. Sort of like a light bulb filament. Now you know why I'm called NuttyP haha
So go and make one that we can all envy!

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 05:47 PM

View Postgcw360, on 15 May 2013 - 05:38 PM, said:

So go and make one that we can all envy!
At first I thought "hah, good one!" but then I thought "Wait... I have literally everything I need to design, build and test this..."

Stand by folks, I've got a new project.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 05:57 PM

View PostGeneral Pickle, on 15 May 2013 - 05:47 PM, said:

At first I thought "hah, good one!" but then I thought "Wait... I have literally everything I need to design, build and test this..."

Stand by folks, I've got a new project.
Awesome.....And since everyone have a refrigerator, the testing should be straightforward...

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 07:13 PM

View PostThe Nutty Professor, on 15 May 2013 - 12:09 PM, said:

Drum mag haha I wouldn't carry it but I can see this is getting interesting. I think if they stick with the PMag and thin the walls and beef up the corners with bumper plastic it would be fine even if dropped. The feed lips would still be a issue. I have Magpul Ranger floor plates on all my mags. Not for the Nicky Neat factor but to lessen damage if I do a speed load without thinking. Which I have done more than once. I would rather buy a new mag than ruin my RS ingrained reflexes.
I totally agree, I would rather be able to drop my mags. Lightening would help, but also stronger feed lips. They should have used aluminum for the feed lips. The reason for the plastic was that fact that all feed lips get damaged and they wanted to make as cheap as possible to replace. Problem is that plastic breaks. Aluminum just bends and dents, both of which can be fixed.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 07:33 PM

View PostBeachEMT, on 15 May 2013 - 07:13 PM, said:

I totally agree, I would rather be able to drop my mags. Lightening would help, but also stronger feed lips. They should have used aluminum for the feed lips. The reason for the plastic was that fact that all feed lips get damaged and they wanted to make as cheap as possible to replace. Problem is that plastic breaks. Aluminum just bends and dents, both of which can be fixed.
This is another one of my projects, in fact I'm considering making some out of steel but aluminum would probably be plenty.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 07:43 PM

Personally I would use aluminum because once I get around to making a metal nozzle I will use aluminum. Steel will work too I just want to match it to the nozzle.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 07:58 PM

View PostBeachEMT, on 15 May 2013 - 07:43 PM, said:

Personally I would use aluminum because once I get around to making a metal nozzle I will use aluminum. Steel will work too I just want to match it to the nozzle.
That's a fair point. I think I'll leave my nozzle plastic until I find a reason to change it, but yeah swapping some of these parts out with metal would be cool not only for longevity sake but also just because I like taking on a project like this.

Oooh another thing: metal follower with the 'chopped' part already pre made. I figure this way it's possible to have a follower that won't throw chips into your chamber.

Edited by General Pickle, 15 May 2013 - 07:59 PM.


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 08:04 PM

I wouldn't do that just because if for some reason the bolt accidentally closed on the follower, I would rather the follower didn't damage the bolt.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 08:35 PM

View PostBeachEMT, on 15 May 2013 - 08:04 PM, said:

I wouldn't do that just because if for some reason the bolt accidentally closed on the follower, I would rather the follower didn't damage the bolt.
That's a fair concern, though I think if the angle of the follower is just right the nozzle will glide over it and push it down without issues. One of my plastic followers does this, since it has been chipped already the angle that it's now at allows this to happen without any apparent damage. I'll look into it but ultimately yeah I want the most longevity and durability out of the system.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 12:20 AM

No matter what the angle, the amount of speed and force the bolt carrier has will cause damage with metal on metal. Also the coefficient of friction between metal and plastic is pretty low and that's why they slide past each other.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 07:06 AM

The reason most companies followed Glock in the RS market with plastic followers is the lack of damage caused by plastic to the primary parts of the weapon itself. I went to Glock armory school during the first Gen of the weapon. I asked a lot of questions. It allows parts sliding over it to "slip" over imperfections and not hang up on them. When you have a sharp edged dent in a metal follower case rims and the butt end of rounds can get caught and slowed down. With BB's I can see them chipping. Of course thats only one round but that one round can cause havoc if it fractures itself or another parts slamming into it.

With the energized magazine where would you put the filament or whatever you decide to use to warm up the inside? Bottom, middle, or top? I would say bottom where the liquid portion would settle. But how would that effect mags in your vest waiting to be used considering they're carried upside down. You want the best results when the mags in the gun. Will you have the ability to turn it off and on? Or will it be on and stay on once the battery is inserted? The one thing above all else YOU DO NOT want it to get hot. How will you regulate the temp?

I first thought of getting one of these and adding an external pouch to each mag holder.
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But it would only pre-warm or warm back up a mag. Whatever's in the weapon is subject to the weather. If you're moving to and objective your mag could get rather cold. Discuss haha

Edited by The Nutty Professor, 16 May 2013 - 07:17 AM.


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Posted 16 May 2013 - 07:18 AM

It doesn't really matter where the heating element is. The cavity is so small, the heat will radiate easily through the entire thing. Something you need to consider is the fact that you are dealing with a highly flammable gas. I wouldn't put a heating element inside the gas chamber, but that's just a personal thing. I would make sure you had an air seal between the gas and the filament.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 07:26 AM

Duh flammable gas totally slipped my flu addled brain. Seems a radiant external heating source is the best bet. Let the heat conduct through the casing.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 07:36 AM



I suppose we all forgot about this.... High magazine capacity can be done. Albeit, this one is on the wa platform, but its an exercise in operation none the less.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 08:03 AM

Not what I'm looking for at all. But is proof of concept I guess. What M4 GBBR mag holds a higher capacity?

Edited by The Nutty Professor, 16 May 2013 - 08:05 AM.


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Posted 16 May 2013 - 08:49 AM

View PostMountainCommand, on 16 May 2013 - 07:36 AM, said:

I suppose we all forgot about this.... High magazine capacity can be done. Albeit, this one is on the wa platform, but its an exercise in operation none the less.

I didn't even know about this. Any clue what brand it is or where to get one?


View PostThe Nutty Professor, on 16 May 2013 - 08:03 AM, said:

What M4 GBBR mag holds a higher capacity?

WA makes a 55rnd mag, and King Arms and Pro Win make 50rnd mags.
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