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#21 ky2970

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 04:01 AM

View PostBeachEMT, on 21 January 2013 - 10:43 PM, said:

I think your going to need a custom barrel for that. Shortest REPR is 16.1". 7.62x51mm doesn't run well under that length from what I understand.

http://www.shop.stgf...RC-REPRUB12.htm

Nope, they exist. The thing with .308 SBRs is the sheer concussion from the muzzle blast. But I do agree with you at the same time. 12" REPRs aren't standard. I believe KWA will produce a 18"/20" barreled REPR for replicating its most common configuration as a intermediate to long range battle rifle.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 04:29 AM

In airsoft a short barrel AR10 or REPR would be fine even though it's impractical in the real world.

I had a 14.5" AR10 for a couple of years.  Even with a Smith Enterprise Vortex on the muzzle there was still a massive muzzle blast and the gun was very unpleasant to shoot -- but very kool at the range.  :)  My 18" M1A (M14) is about as short a barrel as I like for 7.62mm NATO.  But in airsoft kool rules.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 10:18 AM

You learn something new everyday. That upper does look sick. From the 16" .308 rifles I've shot, I would think you might want something like a 7.62 kx3 for anything shorter.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 12:08 PM

View PostBeachEMT, on 22 January 2013 - 10:18 AM, said:

You learn something new everyday. That upper does look sick. From the 16" .308 rifles I've shot, I would think you might want something like a 7.62 kx3 for anything shorter.

KX3 has done wonders for SBRs. Being in Arizona, I've gotten the chance to handle complete NFA rifles; fully automatic and SBR'd. I got the chance to mag dump one with a 12" with a Battlecomp 2.0 and a 10" with a Noveske KX3 and the concussion is a lot less with the KX3. At the same time, you can't see anything in your sight picture because it essentially becomes a loud, tremoring, lead-spitting, flamethrower :P

EDIT: Just to clarify, I'm talking about 5.56 SBR'd AR-15s. Not .308s...

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 06:50 PM

I know you guys are all gung ho on the real steel, and trust me, I am too, but man, am I ever excited to see some LM4 LWRC's! I think I want this even more than the Masada they've announced. As someone else stated, my CA M6A2 Has been my workhorse AEG for two and a half years now, bone stock, and I love the heck out of it. And with my love of the LM4, I'm shaking in my boots waiting for this thing!

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 05:23 AM

I wonder how long until this too is axed.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 08:14 AM

Honestly I was wondering that too.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:08 AM

View PostMuchMoore, on 03 May 2013 - 05:23 AM, said:

I wonder how long until this too is axed.

Why do you guys think it will get axed?

P.S.- I really hope it doesn't, I'd love to have a M6-IC-SPR GBB.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:10 AM

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Why do you guys think it will get axed?

P.S.- I really hope it doesn't, I'd love to have a M6-IC-SPR GBB.
Some HK got cut, although some of us weren't too shocked as Umarex's biggest sellers are Walmart springers. But the KRISS deal falling apart is what has us worried. KRISS seemed very, very enthusiastic to work with KWA. The KWA Vector was crazy popular and sold out immediately. So with that, none of us have any idea what happened to the KRISS deal and why it was so short lived. Without an explanation, most of us are staying skeptical of future KWA lisencing deals.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 01:25 PM

I hadn't heard anything about the Kriss deal. Do you have a link?

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 02:10 PM

http://kwausa.com/fo...showtopic=11110

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 03:01 PM

That's very strange. I understood the deal with the H&K products, that wasn't a dig against KWA, but Umarex just wanted everything under their name. As far as I know KWA still makes the H&K products. Kriss sounded like they weren't pleased about how something turned out with the KWA product. Did the KWA Vector have a lot of issues? Only other thing I can think of is the fact that KWA never seems to be able to keep up a decent level of production.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 03:19 PM

View PostBeachEMT, on 03 May 2013 - 03:01 PM, said:

That's very strange. I understood the deal with the H&K products, that wasn't a dig against KWA, but Umarex just wanted everything under their name. As far as I know KWA still makes the H&K products. Kriss sounded like they weren't pleased about how something turned out with the KWA product. Did the KWA Vector have a lot of issues? Only other thing I can think of is the fact that KWA never seems to be able to keep up a decent level of production.

I don't think it was a quality issue, the gun seemed to launch with fewer design / mfg probs than the LM4. What personally scared me at launch was how quickly aftermarket parts started to appear for sale. I would have expected a lag period of 6-18 months before in-spec 3rd party parts & accessories would become available. However, this was not the case and has me wondering if information that should not have been shared, might have been shared.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 03:23 PM

Good point, I didn't even think about that. There really didn't seem to be enough time to reverse engineer parts.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 10:28 AM

After reading through that whole thread, it sounds like KWA has a lot of internal problems. Though we already could tell by all their problems with excessive R&D time and production problems.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 10:36 AM

I think it's important to remember that KWA themselves have not actually told us what is going on, so everything is just speculation at this point... that being said, it certainly does seem that the company has some strange ways of doing things.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 03:47 PM

Yep, speculation. All we can do is wait.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 04:17 PM

View PostGeneral Pickle, on 04 May 2013 - 10:36 AM, said:

I think it's important to remember that KWA themselves have not actually told us what is going on, so everything is just speculation at this point... that being said, it certainly does seem that the company has some strange ways of doing things.
I totally agree with you that all this talk about licensing deals is speculation. That being said, it isn't speculation that there is something wrong with their engineering and/or manufacturing departments. I've worked in engineering and I don't know any other company that would be ok with the excessive amount of delays on their products like KWA is.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 11:22 AM

View PostBeachEMT, on 04 May 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

I totally agree with you that all this talk about licensing deals is speculation. That being said, it isn't speculation that there is something wrong with their engineering and/or manufacturing departments. I've worked in engineering and I don't know any other company that would be ok with the excessive amount of delays on their products like KWA is.
You have a good point, I mean when was the last time Microsoft delayed an announced product for 2 years? Surely they're doing everything they can but from a customer perspective it can certainly be frustrating. The biggest fear I have about it is that these releases we're all looking forward to could become vaporware that never see the light of day, which would be an awfully big shame since we've all seen how well the other KWA products perform.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 10:21 PM

I wonder, since the prototypes seem to be almost completely function (if not completely function) like 2 years before KWA releases the product, maybe it isn't R&D's fault. I feel like KWA manufacturing is sub par on production. It seems like engineering designs everything and then it takes months for the factory to do a run of even the smallest part.




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