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#1 Toadvine

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Posted 08 April 2009 - 07:41 PM

Hi. I have a general question. Hopefully the forum moderators won't mind.

The question is this: what's the point of a "support weapon" if a normal rifle - such as a KWA M16BR - can match the support weapon with regard to range, ROF and FPS?

Real steel support weapons offer a squad advantages in rate of fire, volume of fire 9 number of rounds available) sometimes in range, and sometimes in caliber of projectile.

For example, an M249 SAW shoots about 750-1000 rounds per minute at about 3000fps and has a range of about a kilometer. The SAW can be fed from a 200 round belt. While the M16 shoots the same 5.56 round at about 700 rounds per minute, range of about 550m. It's clear the SAW offers an advantage in range, ROF, and number of rounds available.

But in airsoft, you can get a better battery to increase ROF, we're all shooting the same 6mm BBs, and range seems controlled mostly by FPS, barrel tightness, and BB weight.

If you can jazz up an M16 to get great ROF and good range, why would anyone carry around a SAW?

What am I missing?  Is there some secret trick that allows users to get SAWs that crank out 50 rounds per sec?

#2 karMeister

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Posted 08 April 2009 - 11:43 PM

View PostToadvine, on Apr 8 2009, 07:41 PM, said:

Hi. I have a general question. Hopefully the forum moderators won't mind.

The question is this: what's the point of a "support weapon" if a normal rifle - such as a KWA M16BR - can match the support weapon with regard to range, ROF and FPS?

Real steel support weapons offer a squad advantages in rate of fire, volume of fire 9 number of rounds available) sometimes in range, and sometimes in caliber of projectile.

For example, an M249 SAW shoots about 750-1000 rounds per minute at about 3000fps and has a range of about a kilometer. The SAW can be fed from a 200 round belt. While the M16 shoots the same 5.56 round at about 700 rounds per minute, range of about 550m. It's clear the SAW offers an advantage in range, ROF, and number of rounds available.

But in airsoft, you can get a better battery to increase ROF, we're all shooting the same 6mm BBs, and range seems controlled mostly by FPS, barrel tightness, and BB weight.

If you can jazz up an M16 to get great ROF and good range, why would anyone carry around a SAW?

What am I missing?  Is there some secret trick that allows users to get SAWs that crank out 50 rounds per sec?


honestly.. you dont need 50RPS!  50RPS means youll clear a 300 round mag in 6 seconds.  Its really how you play the game. Sometimes 10 RPS is good for cover fire since it will tell  tango to stay down cause  there is someone firing at him.   I have 21RPS and i even try to regulate my output by using small burst which is, most of the time, not the case cause i end up firing the whole mag to cover fire for my teamates.

imagine how long a guy with a 300round mag and 13 RPS (infinite gears) cover fire? lets say a total of 23 seconds?  if you have 50RPS... how long can you cover fire? 6 seconds?

it all boils down to how you play it.  :lol:
you might want to watch tactical videos. One of the mst recent out there is the Magpul Dynamics : Art of the tactical carbine

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 11:22 AM

Wrong section... moved... Carry on.

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 01:20 PM

So you can look cool and use a drum mag with more ammo.  Support weapons are also allowed to shoot hotter.

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 04:43 PM

in MilSim airsoft its about having the right weapon for your role in the unit

as an event host, we have made them a gameplay element. riflemen have 350 fps with mid/lo caps, support weapons have to be legit support weapons and are allowed hicap and drum mags with 400 fps and limited to one per squad.

there IS distinct tactical advantage with a proper set of rules in place. we set this up both as a benefit to the guys who buy support weapons for airsoft and as a benefit to players who find it hard to keep up on the field with others out there with money to burn on box mags and bbs.

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 10:39 PM

View PostToadvine, on Apr 8 2009, 08:41 PM, said:

Hi. I have a general question. Hopefully the forum moderators won't mind.

The question is this: what's the point of a "support weapon" if a normal rifle - such as a KWA M16BR - can match the support weapon with regard to range, ROF and FPS?

Real steel support weapons offer a squad advantages in rate of fire, volume of fire 9 number of rounds available) sometimes in range, and sometimes in caliber of projectile.

For example, an M249 SAW shoots about 750-1000 rounds per minute at about 3000fps and has a range of about a kilometer. The SAW can be fed from a 200 round belt. While the M16 shoots the same 5.56 round at about 700 rounds per minute, range of about 550m. It's clear the SAW offers an advantage in range, ROF, and number of rounds available.

But in airsoft, you can get a better battery to increase ROF, we're all shooting the same 6mm BBs, and range seems controlled mostly by FPS, barrel tightness, and BB weight.

If you can jazz up an M16 to get great ROF and good range, why would anyone carry around a SAW?

What am I missing?  Is there some secret trick that allows users to get SAWs that crank out 50 rounds per sec?

Saw gearboxes are designed to be able to deal with the stress of continuous fire better than M4 gearboxes. Generally, torturing an M4 gearbox with huge volumes continuous fire will lead to a far shorter lifespan on the internals.

Plus, running around with an M4 with a box mag and bipod is equivalent to tattooing the word noob on your forehead.




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