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#41 Outlaw1995

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 02:27 PM

Let ME say that that discussion/debate was delightful and very interesting to read. From the discussion I guess you've both had past military experience which helps all of us benefit and appreciate the sport much more. Kudos to both of you, gentlemen!! :)

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 03:29 PM

View PostGrindstone, on 01 December 2011 - 08:01 AM, said:

I'm tired of that meme. You probably would be "out-gunned" in a speed-ball airsoft. However, in milsim, it's a nonissue. Even when I ran sub-100rd mid caps with my AEGs, I was never "out-gunned". I didn't lay on the trigger like I was some sort of gatling gun. I picked my shots, like any good shooter should. Yes, we do get the kids/newbies who "spray and pray" with hicaps, but the spray method is usually reserved for those who don't know how to use any basic tactics. Even when I played paintball, going up against "pros" with autocockers and so forth, one well-placed shot from my cheap rental was more effective than fifty shots sprayed about willy-nilly.
Out-capacity-for-carrying-ammo? Sure. Out-gunned? Emphatically NO.

Woah man, dont be dissin' cockers. Mine is semi only, fully mechanical! No ramping, no assists!

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 05:48 AM

View Postniko_gpsy, on 01 December 2011 - 01:11 PM, said:

First let me say thank you for your service. It's is people like you that protect our freedom that we all enjoy and sometimes sadly squander.
We are just couple of individuals having a discussion. No need to thank me. I respect your skills and knowledge on this matter. :thumbsup:
Thank you, but I always kind of feel weird when I get thanked, as I have never been in a combat zone in the missions I flew on.

For the record, I also respect and appreciate your perspective on the subject.

View PostOutlaw1995, on 01 December 2011 - 02:27 PM, said:

Let ME say that that discussion/debate was delightful and very interesting to read. From the discussion I guess you've both had past military experience which helps all of us benefit and appreciate the sport much more. Kudos to both of you, gentlemen!! :)
Like I said, I have had no formal combat training from my time in the USAF. I took it upon myself to learn the techniques and skills, and I assure you, anyone can as well.

View Postmcnabb100, on 01 December 2011 - 03:29 PM, said:


Woah man, dont be dissin' cockers. Mine is semi only, fully mechanical! No ramping, no assists!
It's still paintball :P

Edited by Grindstone, 02 December 2011 - 05:48 AM.


#44 Outlaw1995

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 06:04 AM

View PostGrindstone, on 02 December 2011 - 05:48 AM, said:

Like I said, I have had no formal combat training from my time in the USAF. I took it upon myself to learn the techniques and skills, and I assure you, anyone can as well.
Well, you still served, and I thank you for your contributions. And still, you were in the USAF- that counts as military experience- even if you didn't experience combat itself.

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 06:38 AM

Combat experience or not, you have a sense of duty to serve. That is what I am most thankful. You shouldn't feel weird when someone thanks you.  ;)

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 04:25 PM



Here's a video guys of the US version of the KWA M4 GBBR Magpul Edition Pre-Production version.

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 05:10 PM

Thank you for the vid. I'm sure it has quenched all of our thirsts!!

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 05:23 PM

View Postgreatwatermelon, on 09 December 2011 - 04:25 PM, said:



Here's a video guys of the US version of the KWA M4 GBBR Magpul Edition Pre-Production version.
THAT IS SWEET!  I wish I was in California.

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 10:35 AM

thats nice..  now all it needs is a Co2 mag to work with it for winter games up here in the north!   YUM!!

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 04:59 PM

I understand that the LM4 may not suffer as much from mag cool down as a GBB pistol.  To what extent I can't say at the point.  I can tell you I once tested an MP7 at 42 degrees F.  Left the mag in a refrigerator.  It actually performed quite well.

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 11:37 PM



The FV system is a larger NS2... imagine that.

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 11:49 AM

Yup I was in the Mountains here in Colorado Yesterday low 40 degree weather and my 1911 MK IV did well when I first got out of my warm truck and then I started crawling in the snow then the gun got to cold.  I'm Gonna try putting hand warmers on the mag next time but a CO2 mag option would be nice.   I hope the FV step up from NS2 system also brings better cold performance or I will need to invest in some kind of electric blanket gun cover and mag holder... Hope it doesn't rain.

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 03:42 PM

so far from my experience, the FV system on my hong kong magpul lm4 works great in 30 degree weather lol, still considering getting rid of my ics m4 lol

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Posted 13 December 2011 - 11:38 AM

I was wondering if it would be possible to convert the stock, foregrip, and outer barrel to M16 pieces on the LM4 or Magpul edition M4.  I'm wanting to enter an event that is very strict about the weapons systems it will allow and the M4 is not welcome.  For a true milsim experience the KWA GBBR would just feel, sound, and act better than most AEGs.

Edited by TheRedThreat, 13 December 2011 - 11:39 AM.


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Posted 13 December 2011 - 01:09 PM

View PostTheRedThreat, on 13 December 2011 - 11:38 AM, said:

I was wondering if it would be possible to convert the stock, foregrip, and outer barrel to M16 pieces on the LM4 or Magpul edition M4.  I'm wanting to enter an event that is very strict about the weapons systems it will allow and the M4 is not welcome.  For a true milsim experience the KWA GBBR would just feel, sound, and act better than most AEGs.
I'm sure the stock is convertible. Outer barrel... idk...

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 10:35 AM

My M9 PTP could squeeze out about three shots before losing all power in freezing temps. I don't carry my pistols/magazines around in an insulated thermos with built-in heating. CO2 greatly reduces the affect the cold temps have on the performance, as well as providing more consistant FPS in comparison to green gas/propane even in normal temps.

Thus, my vote is in for CO2 magazines.

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Posted 16 December 2011 - 10:48 AM

so far, when it comes down to the greengas/ propane or c02 for mags, ill tell you now, i live in oregon where its 30 degrees in the winter (which is now) and the lm4 mags have yet to freeze even on full auto...and i still get 2-3 mags of bbs out...ns2 system wins over c02 lol

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 01:23 PM

View Postgreatwatermelon, on 09 December 2011 - 04:25 PM, said:



Here's a video guys of the US version of the KWA M4 GBBR Magpul Edition Pre-Production version.

that's an awesome gun. I'm seriously considering selling my AEG and going all gas.  aaarrrggghh, I can't make up my mind!!!

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 08:01 AM

View PostSloth00>, on 16 December 2011 - 10:48 AM, said:

so far, when it comes down to the greengas/ propane or c02 for mags, ill tell you now, i live in oregon where its 30 degrees in the winter (which is now) and the lm4 mags have yet to freeze even on full auto...and i still get 2-3 mags of bbs out...ns2 system wins over c02 lol
Thanks. Any FPS variance over the course of firing off the mag?

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 07:33 PM

View PostGrindstone, on 22 December 2011 - 08:01 AM, said:

Thanks. Any FPS variance over the course of firing off the mag?

There is always a FPS variance when it comes to releasing Green Gas from a magazine. It is more of a question of consistency, which we did not test because the prototype version is not a finished product or production sample.




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