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#1 killerimpulse

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:10 PM

Hi all.
i just purchased my my first real airsoft gun.... Well two. im waiting for my AEG rifle to come in.
Any way. I along with my rifle i purchased the ATP. I want to mod the gun to give it more kick. I have read the latest thread on it but i can not find the hurricane kit. Also what else do i need to do to the pistol.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 07:00 PM

Welcome to the KWA Forums Killerimpulse.  The full treatment would be the following:
  • Enhanced recoil spring
  • High flow release valve
  • Heavy hammer spring
That said, the loss in gas efficacy might not be worth the trouble especially since it will increase the FPS too and mods need to be done to all your mags.





An other approach is to simply add the enhanced recoil spring to the guide rod. Note: Look for the Enhanced Guide Rod and Recoil Spring for the KWA/KSC M17.  It is the correct size.  Element, Matrix, and others make these.  I have the Element in my ATP and the recoil is crisper and quite nice overall.  One thing you may want to consider is how you lubricate the slide with a mod like this.  I would recommend going with a light RC shock oil (10wt) or, even better, Super Lube Dry Film: http://www.amazon.co...c/dp/B000RFRM4U

Niko and I use it and it works very well without attracting dirt.

Hope this helps.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 07:52 PM

Hi gcw, thanks for the welcoming.
I will look into the recoil spring. I really like the ATP it's a fun side arm and the GBB makes it even more enjoyable to shoot.
Also thank you for the link to the lube. I did read on some other message boards that I was looking over that the stock lube is tacky, so a good lube that works well is a great push in the right direction.

Would you happen to know if the sights are changeable? I like to mod out my ATP
I really can't wait till my KM4A1 arrives next week.
Know any good places to play outdoors in jersey? I see your from Jrzy,  I have been told north of me by white horse pike.
I appreciate your time and look forward to chatting about the KWA line up.

What do the members in the air soft community refer to the guns as? Markers, guns, weapon (s)?


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Posted 02 August 2012 - 02:32 AM

Sights are changable, kind of loose and really need to be glued if you want the gun to shoot where you aim it.

Making it shoot harder will decrease the incredible gas efficiency of the ATP. I get 5-8 bb refills per gas up and this will really help on the field.

Do you really need extra kick? I don't think so. The ATP can not handle even the factory kick. Look at what happened to mine after 8000 rounds or .25s using only King Arms green gas.
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 07:27 AM

View Postgcw360, on 01 August 2012 - 07:00 PM, said:

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One thing you may want to consider is how you lubricate the slide with a mod like this.  I would recommend going with a light RC shock oil (10wt) or, even better, Super Lube Dry Film: http://www.amazon.co...c/dp/B000RFRM4U

Niko and I use it and it works very well without attracting dirt.

Hope this helps.

I have regular super lube and now that I see your picture I pulled out a can of Teflon Dry Lubricant Spray by Burning River Tool Company. I can't find them on the internet. I bought it for my 10" saw blades but most recently sprayed some on the rubber slot for the power windows in my car. It dried white on the rubber. Does this superlube dry white on some things?


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Posted 02 August 2012 - 11:48 AM

Hi Phil.
Thanks for sharing your idea and trouble with the ATP. I read your thread about the barrel, is that broken barrel the end result from the recoil spring or an upgrade/mod? Did the mod/upgrade contribute to the barrel breaking? I see you found flaws in the pot metal. It sounds as if your gun is stock out of the box, I wonder if you were just an unlucky owner you got a flawed ATP. It took me a long time to pull the proverbial trigger on what airsoft Gn to get, and from all the reading i did,  KWA pretty much was standing shoulder to shoulder with maybe two other companies. The bothering part is the small warranty KWA gives.
Im not sure if thats a good thing or not. The other side of the coin, KWA also works with is customers.... So take that for what its worth.  

To answer your question. Do i need more kick? No. Do i want more kick? yes. I like the feeling of my real pistols. So why not see if i cant get a better kick.
Would i bring my ATP on a field? I don't know. Maybe an indoor field to play CQB. I do understand and appreciate the pros an Cons you pointed out.



As to the sights. I thought the sight looked about the same, but i wasn't sure. I didn't want to crack the adhesive (at least i assume since i don't see a allen  screw to lock the sight) and fight the sight frame off only to find out they do not fit. I just wonder if the allen screw on the real glock sights will work.
I got a couple of pairs laying in the safe, ill crack the stock sights free an see what i cant come up with.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 01:07 PM

Real sights will fit. For the rear sights you can use Glock rear sights however you might need to shim them with thin strips. I use 10-8 Glock rears in mine and a couple super thin styrene strips to shim it tighter, then use the Allen key to lock it in place. Super glue if you're paranoid.

For front sights, you can use M&P front sights. I'm using 10-8 M&P front sights in mine. Again, the fit will be a little loose and you may want to shim or just straight up glue it in place.

Regarding the broken barrel, yeah that absolutely sucks. I'd be upset too. However you have to keep in perspective the fact that KWA have literally sold thousands of these units and have had barely a handful back with broken barrel issues. Looking at those numbers it should be clear that broken barrels are a rarity and not symptomatic of all ATPs. That's less than 0.1%. It sucks if you fall into that 0.1% but at least you have a manufacturer that is accessible by the consumer and actively working to resolve issues when they come up. Most don't.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 01:20 PM

Phil, we still have not received your Help Desk ticket. For anyone else with this issue please submit a ticket so we can take care of you. We have only see a very very small percentage of the barrels break so I wouldn't worry about it Killerimpulse.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 02:30 PM

View Postphilsaudio, on 02 August 2012 - 07:27 AM, said:


I have regular super lube and now that I see your picture I pulled out a can of Teflon Dry Lubricant Spray by Burning River Tool Company. I can't find them on the internet. I bought it for my 10" saw blades but most recently sprayed some on the rubber slot for the power windows in my car. It dried white on the rubber. Does this superlube dry white on some things?


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I don't know about the others on this forum that use this, but mine dries slightly grey.  Kinda like pencil lead.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 02:55 PM

There is no set screw to hold my sights. I put some Locktite on them but they still move around.

The barrel issue is ongoing. When I look at the barrel on my $200 Ruger P90DC and this KWA one there is a universe of difference in the quality of materiel. I think KWA can do better for the money.

But to be realistic, I tried to get another one today cause I want two of them.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 05:36 PM

View PostuscmCorps, on 02 August 2012 - 01:07 PM, said:

Real sights will fit. For the rear sights you can use Glock rear sights however you might need to shim them with thin strips. I use 10-8 Glock rears in mine and a couple super thin styrene strips to shim it tighter, then use the Allen key to lock it in place. Super glue if you're paranoid.

For front sights, you can use M&P front sights. I'm using 10-8 M&P front sights in mine. Again, the fit will be a little loose and you may want to shim or just straight up glue it in place.

Regarding the broken barrel, yeah that absolutely sucks. I'd be upset too. However you have to keep in perspective the fact that KWA have literally sold thousands of these units and have had barely a handful back with broken barrel issues. Looking at those numbers it should be clear that broken barrels are a rarity and not symptomatic of all ATPs. That's less than 0.1%. It sucks if you fall into that 0.1% but at least you have a manufacturer that is accessible by the consumer and actively working to resolve issues when they come up. Most don't.

Thanks for the reply. Thats cool. This weekend im going to tinker around with some sights.  
The next problem is do i put on a set of hiviz sights on my airsoft Gn?
So much excitement with my ATP.   Its great sitting in my backyard and popping rounds thru the shoot n c targets, thats good times.

View Postphilsaudio, on 02 August 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

There is no set screw to hold my sights. I put some Locktite on them but they still move around.

The barrel issue is ongoing. When I look at the barrel on my $200 Ruger P90DC and this KWA one there is a universe of difference in the quality of materiel. I think KWA can do better for the money.

But to be realistic, I tried to get another one today cause I want two of them.

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View PostVictorNica, on 02 August 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

Phil, we still have not received your Help Desk ticket. For anyone else with this issue please submit a ticket so we can take care of you. We have only see a very very small percentage of the barrels break so I wouldn't worry about it Killerimpulse.
As business owner i know what its like to have vendors stand behind the products that we sell. I choose to only sell products that work, work well and the vendors stand behind.
That being said, every once in a while a lemon slips thru.  It happens and if my customer is willing to work with me and the vendor to try and rectify the problem, all is ok.I don't pretend to know the full story of your Gn and issue, only what i have read. From where i sit i can split the apple two ways.
One: The staff is chasing you around the board trying to get you to submit a claim ticket to rectify the issue at hand.
Two: The staff is trying to rectify your problem while controlling the "fire" of bad press.
Either way if i was in your shoes , yes i would be very upset but also happy that the staff of KWA wants to help you.
That my friend says a lot. That kind of help travels on message boards and that is one of the biggest reason i chose KWA over some of the other higher brands. That being said also the fact i can send my Gn to west coast for repair or maintenance and not out of the country.

Please don't mistake my words as choosing a side. I'm looking thru the window and seeing the staff chasing you down to fix a problem.... makes me feel good that KWA wants to help.
I will however look into getting a back up barrel and some other parts just to keep my Gn running in top performance.
As to the world of difference in the KWA ATP and Ruger p90, would you please share your thoughts.







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Posted 02 August 2012 - 06:30 PM

Well tonight i noticed  two problems, or i guess would be problems. One The lube that came with my ATP is tacking up my slide. My slide has a bit a delay on sliding forward. The second issue i noticed is the slid is getting loose/shaky.
Anyone notice these issues?

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 08:16 PM

View Postkillerimpulse, on 02 August 2012 - 05:36 PM, said:


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As to the world of difference in the KWA ATP and Ruger p90, would you please share your thoughts.




KWA - pot metal - light weight - Supports the inner barrel and the hop up.
Rugar real-steel --stainess steel - weighs as much as the ATP- Supports a 9mm bullet shooting through it.

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 07:15 PM

View Postphilsaudio, on 02 August 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:



KWA - pot metal - light weight - Supports the inner barrel and the hop up.
Rugar real-steel --stainess steel - weighs as much as the ATP- Supports a 9mm bullet shooting through it.

Oh, i see. i guess and i speak for my self when i say. The price i paid vs the price of the Rugar... i can see price difference. Im hoping that my ATP keeps working the way it does and has. I have officially put over 3000 rounds thru it tonight.
I had to crack open a new bag of BB's. im still very happy with the ATP.

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 11:01 AM

View Postkillerimpulse, on 03 August 2012 - 07:15 PM, said:


Oh, i see. i guess and i speak for my self when i say. The price i paid vs the price of the Rugar... i can see price difference. Im hoping that my ATP keeps working the way it does and has. I have officially put over 3000 rounds thru it tonight.
I had to crack open a new bag of BB's. im still very happy with the ATP.

Rugar P90DC new $200
ATP New                 $129

I want a second ATP.

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 05:24 PM

View Postphilsaudio, on 02 August 2012 - 07:27 AM, said:


I have regular super lube and now that I see your picture I pulled out a can of Teflon Dry Lubricant Spray by Burning River Tool Company. I can't find them on the internet. I bought it for my 10" saw blades but most recently sprayed some on the rubber slot for the power windows in my car. It dried white on the rubber. Does this superlube dry white on some things?


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Yes, especially when new it will dry white.




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