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#1 badkarmaas

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 10:46 AM

Alright guys, if I buy the gun, along with a few mags, will it be skirmish ready out of the box or will i have to replace parts ( vbesides the break in period).

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 02:01 PM

Of all the LM4's I've seen so far it seems hit and miss; sometimes they shoot great out of the box but sometimes they don't shoot so great. If it doesn't work how you want it to, get the EVO II hop up set and you're good to go. Other things may come down to personal preference, such as having rails or ambi parts etc. but all in all I'd say that the only part that really needs to be replaced immediately is the hop bucking and tension arm.

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 02:23 PM

Changing the hopup and bucking in the LM4 is vastly different than with the KM4 (AEG).  The LM4 disassembles very much like the M4 Carbine and pulling the barrel requires melting the locktite on the barrel nut or you're liable to break the upper receiver.

I only have exoerience with one (1) LM4 and she suffered hopup problems during the warranty period.  KWA had her back in my hands in 10 days or so and there have been no issues since then.  That was a year agoi.

I'd leave the internals to KWA, certainly during the 6-week warranty period.  After that you'll need most of your AR15 tools, a heat gun, and some of the instruction here.  As noted, since KWA warranty service mine has needed no attention at all.

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 06:00 PM

I'm going to buy a maple leaf bucking, an extra hop up tensioner ( if thats the a you're talking about?)

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 07:10 PM

View Postbadkarmaas, on 16 July 2013 - 06:00 PM, said:

I'm going to buy a maple leaf bucking, an extra hop up tensioner ( if thats the a you're talking about?)
Sadly, I have yet to see the tensioner sold by itself. This is is unfortunate because you have to buy the whole hop up unit/set rather than just a couple parts. http://www.airsoftta...oods.php?id=760 This is the kit you want ideally, since it only includes what you need. The Mapleleaf bucking will NOT fit into the original metal shroud for the stock bucking, so this covers all the important stuff: Bucking, metal shroud, tension arm, c-clip. You can buy a KRISS Vector kit or a M17/M18 kit and it will work just the same, the problem being that you'll have extra parts that won't be useful.

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 07:57 PM

My LM4c, after firing about 6 magazines through it and adjusting the hop up for KWA .30g BBs, fires at 400 FPS, and needed no modifications or upgrades to be skirmishable. I could accurately hit people ~150 ft away, and could get a BB out to 200ft if necessary (although it was definitely not as accurate at that distance).

I was able to get by with only one magazine and the KWA speedloader during the games I played, but it would have been much less stressful to have had a few more magazines. Speaking of which... KWA - when will STANAG LM4 magazines be available? I've been watching for months on ASGI, and they have been out of stock for a while...

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 08:16 PM

Is the tensioner a brass ring with an arm sticking out of it?

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 08:28 PM

Yes, that thing is the Hop Up Tensioner.
The LM4 was pretty skirmishable out of the box for me. Until I ripped the bucking because I had too much silicone in my propane.
Use green gas or use propane dry (Propane => More Cleaning just to let you know).
If you are going to purchase a LM4, I highly recommend an AR wrench and a valve tool.
Having an AR wrench will help you remove the delta ring which is necessary in order to access the hop-up unit.

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 02:39 AM

I'll echo the recommendation for the valve tool.  Search for and read the O-ring discussions as well.  There were many threads a few months ago but have subsided since then.

Lots of parts get nicknames like calling the lower receiver extension the "buffer tube" but the "Delta ring" is the really the handguard slip ring and takes no tools to push back.  ;)  The barrel nut is the spiny critter revealed under the handguards and you need the special wrench (and a heat gun) to remove. And lots of care.  Unlike the monolythic, forged and machined M16 upper receiver the LM4 receiver is several parts screwed together and will come apart if twisted too hard.

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 05:23 AM

Well, I'm getting my lm4 used by a trade ( in good condition, minor scratches and needs new bucking) so I should be able to get the delta ring off easily right? Besides the armourers wrench, what else do I need? ,

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 08:16 AM

View Postbadkarmaas, on 17 July 2013 - 05:23 AM, said:

Well, I'm getting my lm4 used by a trade ( in good condition, minor scratches and needs new bucking) so I should be able to get the delta ring off easily right? Besides the armourers wrench, what else do I need? ,
If the LM4 has had its delta ring taken off before then it will be fairly easy to remove, however if it's the first time then you WILL need heat, can't stress it enough. Evike had some cool valve tools with three different heads, one for the fill valve, one for the KWA main valves, and one for WA mags or something.

So here's the basics:
Armorers wrench
Heat-gun (you can use a hairdryer that has heat, it will just take much longer)
EVO II hop-up set
Valve tool (with heads for both the main valve as well as the fill valve)
Magazines (though you can get by with one, it's much more fun and easier to have more)

Good luck!

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 09:51 AM

Alright, thanks. I'm meeting him today and trading for my sr10.

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 04:48 PM

good trade aslong as the o ring, return spring, and trigger assmbly is in good shape

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 06:59 AM

I read somewhere, that the lm4 has 70% of the recoil of a real ar/m4. Is this true?

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 12:19 PM

That is approximately correct, though that would totally depend on what real AR was used and what configuration it had. All in all I think the LM4 has plenty of recoil for an airsoft gun.




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