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What Happen With Kwa And Sti Designed Pistols?


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#1 RJT

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Posted 27 June 2011 - 04:33 PM

I know at one time KWA/KSC was doing some STI style pistols. I wish they would bring some of those designs back to give Tokyo Marui a run for the money. Just base it on the Hi-Capa design like everyone else (We, KJW, TM) so plenty of after market parts will be available. Race guns (IPSC,USPSA)are getting more popular in the US. Also specialized units are now using STI pistols. I know of a few SWAT teams that are using STI pistols. Be sure and do both 4.3 and 5.1 designs.

I hope KWA brings back the STI pistols.......

Here is some inspiration for  you guys!!!

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Posted 27 June 2011 - 06:02 PM

Ok.  I must confess.  I would like a KWA racegun.  
BUT....
I do not want a copy of some other companies airsoft design.  STI is great and copying Hi-Capa...well...I am not so interested in aftermarket internals.  Kwa has proven themselves.  I want to shot a racegun with KWA internals.  
As I pause and think about it...the PTP Mk 1911 series has a nice trigger...slight downgrade on the magwell...hmmm.  I could see one being "created" quite easily.

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Posted 27 June 2011 - 07:00 PM

 river, on 27 June 2011 - 06:02 PM, said:

Ok.  I must confess.  I would like a KWA racegun.  
BUT....
I do not want a copy of some other companies airsoft design.  STI is great and copying Hi-Capa...well...I am not so interested in aftermarket internals.  Kwa has proven themselves.  I want to shot a racegun with KWA internals.  
As I pause and think about it...the PTP Mk 1911 series has a nice trigger...slight downgrade on the magwell...hmmm.  I could see one being "created" quite easily.

Ok I am game but the problem is most "race gun" guys like the idea of tuning their guns with internal and external parts. Do the "have to"? No, but that kinda goes with the obession of the hobby. Also KWA has to market the gun and most folks like the idea that the gun is branded like a real steel gun like H&K, Colt, Kimber, etc. If they wanted to put together a KWA race gun that is based on the Hi-capa (2011 frame) design that is a off the shelf race gun then I think they will do fine with it. KJW and WE have done it but I know KWA could do it 100% better.

Here is the concept..

Base a gun on the STI design/style.

Comes factory with an expanded magwell, compensator, extended tight bore barrel, thumb rest built into the slide release,extended mag release button and competition style sights. Be sure and offer some acessories or have the capabiltiy to use aftermarket grips and such. Maybe offer it in black, silver and two tone????


Keep the price in the $150 to $180.00 MSRP range and you should have a winner.

Edited by RJT, 27 June 2011 - 07:02 PM.


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Posted 27 June 2011 - 07:09 PM

One more thing, it needs to shoot 350 to 400 fps out of the box....

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Posted 27 June 2011 - 09:11 PM

That has been announced quite some time ago, and is known as the Formula Series. Consists of the 4.3, 5.0 and 5.1.  Originally known as the M1911DS.  
We will most likely release them early next year. Some other projects took a front seat, but they are still part of our future plan.

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Posted 27 June 2011 - 11:48 PM

 xKingSizex, on 27 June 2011 - 09:11 PM, said:

That has been announced quite some time ago, and is known as the Formula Series. Consists of the 4.3, 5.0 and 5.1.  Originally known as the M1911DS.  
We will most likely release them early next year. Some other projects took a front seat, but they are still part of our future plan.

I hope they change from the pics I saw of the Formula series shown at Shoot Show. They are not out of the box race guns unless they are capable of fitting the current aftermarket parts for Hi-Capas. A base 2001 frame gun with a wimpy mag well is not an out of the box race gun other than for the production class at best. As a production gun it looks fine but how can it be made into an open gun? I am telling you that people enjoy adding all the bells and whistles to a race gun and if yours is not able to do that or come with most of them other than optics it will not compete with the TM guns for IPSC shooters.

I am telling you that if you guys have an out of the box race gun with the options I had listed in the price range then you will have something. That is unless your model will accept the aftermarket parts that are currently for the HC pistols.

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 11:01 AM

Ours will not accept aftermarket TM spec parts because our gas system is much different and specs throughout the gun will be different. With that said, our guns will perform much better out of the box than an "upgraded" Hi Capa pistol.
I can't comment on external accessories working with the pistol or not, since we do not currently have the production model in hand and can't test any of the aftermarket products. We are not trying to "compete" with TM guns, we are just trying to make the best gun out there possible.

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 12:35 PM

To add on, I remembered the days where, forums raved over purchasing a stock AEG and upgrading it. It was supposedly the way to go. Many companies that attempted to have their AEGs come "upgraded" out of the box, didn't seem to quell tinkerers from saying that there was more that needed to be done. Fast forward to the present, I would say there is less resistance and more of a welcoming to the idea of great AEG performer out of the box. Which leads me to say, I don't doubt that the same can happen to these race pistols.  ;)

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 09:43 PM

 xKingSizex, on 28 June 2011 - 11:01 AM, said:

Ours will not accept aftermarket TM spec parts because our gas system is much different and specs throughout the gun will be different. With that said, our guns will perform much better out of the box than an "upgraded" Hi Capa pistol.
I can't comment on external accessories working with the pistol or not, since we do not currently have the production model in hand and can't test any of the aftermarket products. We are not trying to "compete" with TM guns, we are just trying to make the best gun out there possible.

"With that said, our guns will perform much better out of the box than an "upgraded" Hi Capa pistol." That is a pretty big statement. I have and have seen some really sweet upgraded TM Hi-capa pistols and to say that yours will out perform them is doubtful. I havent seen a gun you produce yet that will out perform some of the upgraded hi-capas. Keep in mind it is not just about raw FPS in race guns it has to do with many factors like trigger, recoil, etc.  Dont get me wrong I am a fan and have always been a KWA/KSC fan. I have owned many KWA guns and love everyone I have had.

To say your are not trying to "compete" would be crazy. That is part of business and you had better be looking at "competing' if you want to stay in business. The thing is TM has the market when  it comes to serious race gun folks. I would love nothing more than KWA to have an out of the box race gun with all or most of the bells and whistles that go into a open class race gun. If and when they do I will be the first in line to order one.

Again, let me say that I think KWA is one of the best air soft companies around. I am not trying to bash KWA at all. If anyone could pull off a nice out of the box race gun I think KWA would have the best shot at it.

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Posted 29 June 2011 - 01:58 AM

well your comparing a non-upgraded gun to a upgraded gun, of coarse the upgraded one's most likely going to win, BUT KWA's pistols will outperform most if not all other airsoft pistols on the market on a level field unupgraded. also for all you know, KWA pistols could and most likely do out preform TM pistols. Although TM was a great company and most likely the way to go a couple years ago, there's allot better companies out there today that are much better.

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Posted 29 June 2011 - 09:01 AM

"To say your are not trying to "compete" would be crazy. That is part of business and you had better be looking at "competing' if you want to stay in business."

Do you seriously think that KWA needs a 'race' style gun in order to stay in business?  Will it increase their revenue...perhaps.  Will the company go under if they don't have the best 'race gun'?  Sigh...

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Posted 29 June 2011 - 06:11 PM

:wtf: WOW do you guys not understand what I said???

First off I did NOT start the issue about an upgraded gun compared to an stock gun. The person from KWA said that. I repeat, they said the following and I quote, "With that said, our guns will perform much better out of the box than an "upgraded" Hi Capa pistol."

All I said is that is a pretty BIG statment to make. While I realize that this is their site and need their cheerleaders we need to keep things in prospective. To make that kind of statment was off base.

@roguesd

I NEVER said anything about KWA needing a race gun to stay in business. I NEVER even hinted at that. I will repeat and quote what the person from KWA said "We are not trying to "compete" with TM guns, we are just trying to make the best gun out there possible.

I then said, To say your are not trying to "compete" would be crazy. That is part of business and you had better be looking at "competing" if you want to stay in business..

This was a GENERAL comment directed at general business practices and not if they do a race gun or not.  My point to the comment was is that every company is in the market to compete, keep up with the competition, know what the competition is doing, etc. If you have companies making like products then you are competing for the same market share and revenue.

I hope this clears things up with some folks. PLEASE ready closely at comments and the entire thread before making assumptions or remarks that are not accurate. "Sigh..."  :wacko:

I will also repeat again that I think KWA is one of the best companies going in airsoft. I love that they make solid products, have a US based division of operation, great warranty, great customer support, inovative products, etc. I could go on and on so dont get any ideas I am here to bash KWA. I simply asked a question about them offering a good alternative in the competition shooting market. I will also repeat again that if anyone can do this and be sucessful I know KWA can....

Edited by RJT, 29 June 2011 - 06:14 PM.


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Posted 29 June 2011 - 10:22 PM

Posted Image   :rolf2: Just kidding...  

Formula series is currently being redesign.  All I can say right now is we are working with several companies on this project.  More information will release later this year.
Keep in mind that we have a habit to keep pretty tight lips what we are doing. So have patience.  We'll probably surprise quite a bit of people when we release a product.




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