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#1 Jdwin

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 10:39 PM

Hey I'm on the ropes here. I'm considering adding another gbbr to my arsenal. I already have a we m14 and a g&g combat machine (gbbr). The two rifles I'm considering are the kwa lm4 and kjw m4. I'm not here for a comparison between the two. I would love to get the lm4. But I have heard some pretty discouraging rumors. Among the rumors I have heard is that it is very inacurate. Which is what bothers me the most. I has me a mp7 by kwa and it can do 150ft easy. If the lm4 has a longer barrel then why does it reportedly have such poor accuracy? Bassicly I want to know a reported rumors inaccurqcy unreliability ect true.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 02:46 AM

Regarding your accuracy fear; my stock LM4 shoots around 200ft with .25s and then with .30s it shoots 200+ft accurately. So I do not know what people are talking about when they say bad accuracy, maybe they use .20s or something.

The LM4 is a great GBBR in general. I say get it over the KJW, Are there any other specific questions you have about it?

Edited by muffinman1604, 30 April 2013 - 02:47 AM.


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 06:02 AM

A friend of mine was experiencing bad accuracy with his new LM4. When I opened up the receiver I noticed a excessive amount of silicone oil. I looked at the bucking and saw that it was swelled and deformed, problem solved. I wouldn't doubt a lot of the people out there are using the wrong weight BBs or their bucking is also user damaged. I don't recommend anything less than .28g for the LM4, though .30g and heavier is the better option.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:19 AM

I just did the EVO and RAT barrel upgrade and was dead slammed to the floor with the accuracy. I'm so impressed my next build is a balls-to-the-wall LM4 DMR.When it's done I have no doubt it will be a terror on the field.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:13 AM

Ah seems to me all reported issues are user error. Thanks for clearing thing up. A friend claims to have another friend (so cliche) who claimed that propane breaks it. Knowing kwa that's not so but I do intend to use gg just cause it means less maintenance. I have heard other issues that made no sense. The one issue that concerned me we the accuracy issue. But since its not true i am going go buy one from the local dealer. Thanks for all the help.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 04:46 PM

View PostJdwin, on 30 April 2013 - 10:13 AM, said:

Ah seems to me all reported issues are user error. Thanks for clearing thing up. A friend claims to have another friend (so cliche) who claimed that propane breaks it. Knowing kwa that's not so but I do intend to use gg just cause it means less maintenance. I have heard other issues that made no sense. The one issue that concerned me we the accuracy issue. But since its not true i am going go buy one from the local dealer. Thanks for all the help.

Propane can be used, just put the correct amount of silicone oil into your adapter (i really like the AI gungas propane adapter)
Also clean your gun very well when using propane; that being said you should clean any gun even if you use green gas.

Good luck with your LM4.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:01 PM

View PostJdwin, on 30 April 2013 - 10:13 AM, said:

Ah seems to me all reported issues are user error. Thanks for clearing thing up. A friend claims to have another friend (so cliche) who claimed that propane breaks it. Knowing kwa that's not so but I do intend to use gg just cause it means less maintenance. I have heard other issues that made no sense. The one issue that concerned me we the accuracy issue. But since its not true i am going go buy one from the local dealer. Thanks for all the help.
My LM4 has had some interesting quirks, but I'm confident that a hop-up upgrade will do the trick. I replaced the nozzle o-ring to help the consistency, which is now much better, and the accuracy thing is not totally true but not totally false; my LM4 was giving me double feeds on full auto and sometimes simply dropping BB's at my feet, however I think I can attribute this to the stock bucking being messed up somehow and the fact that the PMags I'm borrowing right now have cracked feed lips. Maybe the bucking is bad, maybe the feed lips are bad, either way something is up, but I'm certain that with little work I can get it running 100%. I have a couple guys within my local group who have them as well and they haven't reported these issues, so I think this just may be a lemon mag or bucking that's causing my problems. I'll have the EVO II installed soon and I should have some new/fixed mags to use soon so we'll see what happens. Should that concern you? I don't think so, hell I doubt you'd see any better out of the KJW. The good things I have to say about the LM4 by far outweigh the bad.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:07 PM

I had a terrible time with my LM4 during the first month of ownership.

Inaccuracy, double feed, gas blowing out all over the place ... A nightmare!

Turns out all of my problems were related to one common denominator ... The OPERATOR

I failed to read the owner's manual and I can assure you there is a list of things you should not do with your LM4.

That said, I've had mine since December and it is the only Airsoft "toy" that lives in my gun safe.

I'm shooting 330 - 340 FPS with .30s and 350-360 with .25s. I am dead accurate from 180 - 200ft evidenced by tracer rounds.

The LM4 is a solid platform that closely resembles the military's M4. Well built, tight tolerances, remarkable fit and finish. Add to this functional realism you can only compare to real steel.

If I could make changes I'd want lighter and perhaps less expensive magazines, a better magazine sealing system; and a more durable hopup with better adjustability.

Am I sold 100%?

Not yet ... I've played indoors over the winter and now spending time outdoors. I will be attending a 2 day outdoor event this summer and plan to test the LM4 in the field. I think considering the LM4 for a 2 day OP says a lot about the rifle; at least in my opinion.

As far as selling it to you goes ... The LM4 sells itself. Buy it and try it ... it just feels good.

Is it expensive? YES ... Are the magazines heavy? YES ... Do the magazines leak? ... YES ...

My suggestion ... Suck it up! I think the LM4 is well worth your time, and hard earned cash.

Good luck with your purchase. I hope you enjoy your experience.

PS: Almost forgot to mention ... after failing miserably due to operator error, KWA fixed up my LM4 and returned it with a precision barrel at my request. This is how I am getting the numbers you see posted above. Beyond the barrel my LM4 is stock, however the operator is now clear on how to operate the LM4.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 09:39 AM

I'm planning to stick a angry gun recoil kit in it, and a 6.01 509 tbb with extension.  What is the evoII you speak of? I'm assuming an upgrade bucking?

( I have decided that magpull suits me but its out of stock everywhere I care to look)

Ah I found a forum post about the evo II

Edited by Jdwin, 01 May 2013 - 09:54 AM.


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Posted 01 May 2013 - 11:07 AM

View PostJdwin, on 01 May 2013 - 09:39 AM, said:

I'm planning to stick a angry gun recoil kit in it, and a 6.01 509 tbb with extension.  What is the evoII you speak of? I'm assuming an upgrade bucking?

( I have decided that magpull suits me but its out of stock everywhere I care to look)

Ah I found a forum post about the evo II
So are we correct in assuming you're comfortable doing tech work on the gun? If that is the case then I think you're gonna love it. The LM4 system has some interesting quirks but it's very solid once you iron them out, and what's most attractive about the system to me is that KWA's designs tend to be quite easy to work on.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 01:00 PM

I bought my Magpul from AirsoftGI try them. Great service. But I would say hurry I've convinced my work group to use these as OPFOR tools so we may be ordering 20 or 30 from whoever can fill the order so get yours not LOL!!! Every person I work with is very good with their RS. I hand them my LM4 and they're friggin amazed!

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:39 AM

I use dry propane in mine and clean after every game. Clean the gun, clean the the bolt, and clean the mags. i wouldnt say its a game changer, it will be just as good as a good AEG, but it was an experience changer for me. The stock recoil is great and cant be relicated in any EBB and the realistic function makes my experience even more fun, especially in those oh sh*t moments. I am not sure your going to need the recoil kit, but everyones raving about the evo hopup nubbin.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:41 AM

I am quite experienced working aegs and gbbrs but never a kwa gbbr. Yes i do have a mp7 but i never do more than maintenance on it. i know kwa uses proprietary parts so im not sure what upgrades are necessary  Now i no what an evoII is but what is a rat upgrade. I found a magpull lm4 YAY! the dealer will hold it until tomorrow.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:09 AM

It's the RA-Tech 6.01 tightbore barrel.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:36 AM

Another reason for the LM4 over the KJW is the community and support here. I have a KJW-KC-02 and its tough finding advice and first hand knowledge plus video tutorials equal to the ones that i have access to here.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:00 PM

Rat der should have seen that.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:30 PM

Your paying less than you would for a tacticool vfc or most Other high end aegs, yes mags add up but for the stock gun with one mag your paying less.

It works. Sold yet? Lol

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 10:16 AM

YEP got mine this morning. And let me tell you with the angry gun it works well. almost like the real steal (not exactly). NO bang:( Well glad i got this over the kjw.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 04:28 PM

View PostJdwin, on 03 May 2013 - 10:16 AM, said:

YEP got mine this morning. And let me tell you with the angry gun it works well. almost like the real steal (not exactly). NO bang:( Well glad i got this over the kjw.
Just be aware that the angry gun kit has been said to cause problems. I'm not entirely sure what those problems are since some people have issues and some people don't, so it could be the kit or it could be a lemon gun. Just food for thought. How's your accuracy and range working out?

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 03:17 PM

I want to update information on my most recent post ... Until recent I have been playing mostly indoors with my LM4. I believe I claimed 150 - 200 foot shots with accuracy. I believe 150 - 180 indoors is more accurate with 180 being the very extreme and rare end of the LM4's capability.

I am running KWA's precision barrel and .25 to .30 bbs. For outdoors the .30s seem to be the way to go.

The rifle is dead accurate at 50 - 70 feet ... At 50 feet I can pound orange juice containers one mag after the next ...

Out to 100 feet I get occasional flyers with slight drift to the right and left. I have the hop up turned way down as at distance shots are hooking.

Shots out to 150 feet require some hold over and may drift left or right ...probably wind related. I don't anticipate accurate shots beyond 150 feet ... maybe a Hail Mary.

I went through about 500 rounds of semi auto today... one shot at a time for consistency. As I increased distance accuracy decreased. I was able to hit some targets out to 150 feet, however 100 - 120 seems to be the limit outdoors ... IMHO




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