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#81 Leightonian

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 04:50 PM

 Chuck S, on 19 November 2013 - 03:34 AM, said:

I wasn't aware anyone really had a "favorite" AR15 lower receiver.  :)  The M16 receiver is public domain and anyone can make one -- or a reproduction.  Keep in mind that any "brand name" licensed airsoft gun pays a royalty to the real gun manufacturer just for the "trades."  The RM4 is needlessly expensive because KWA is paying royalties to MagPul.  Not sure how much, but it's there.

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I'll be honest with you, it's only my favorite because of their little logo. :P  Well, that and it's the only lower I have ever used on my two ARs'. It'll probably be the only lower I'll ever use.

Edited by Leightonian, 19 November 2013 - 04:57 PM.


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Posted 19 November 2013 - 08:13 PM

 General Pickle, on 19 November 2013 - 11:55 AM, said:

I suppose it makes sense that they would reevaluate the MA LM4, but in the mean time what's stopping them from releasing an upper receiver? Is KWA restricting the production of one-piece uppers? Of all the things I want changed on the LM4 currently I think that would have to be it, and while the MA is supposed to offer that I can't see why it would be so difficult to do the same for regular and Magpul LM4's.
At this point PTS wants to restrict MA upper sales for the same reason they restrict the Magpul lowers. They want it to be a "special" item just for MA LM4 owners. I've requested that they make sure that it's compatible with all LM4 lowers. I'm also hoping that KWA will come out with improved standard uppers that are 1 piece because the RM4 has one.

Edit: Chuck- The airsoft companies don't just pay for the trades. They also pay for the likeness (any distinct, non-milspec designs) and special features (ambi parts, mag well angles and flares, trigger guards, etc...)

Edited by BeachEMT, 19 November 2013 - 08:16 PM.


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Posted 19 November 2013 - 08:32 PM

The MA GBBRs are in production now. I'm personally working on the manual (actually rushing to finish it to get it ready for the printers). Once the guns are complete and processed through QC both in Taiwan and on the distributor side they'll start working their way to dealers. So they "should" be out before the end of the year given the current timeline.

The delays were due to product changes to update the design to the newest MA specs as of this year. Plus the ERGs took up a lot of production capacity as well as the plethora of other products Yih Kai produces over the course of the year as OEM for various companies. The changes to the MA GBBR are well worth it though. Aesthetically the gun looks different than what we showed at Shot Show. But definitely for the better. Pics will be shown soon I'm sure.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 08:41 PM

 uscmCorps, on 19 November 2013 - 08:32 PM, said:

The MA GBBRs are in production now. I'm personally working on the manual (actually rushing to finish it to get it ready for the printers). Once the guns are complete and processed through QC both in Taiwan and on the distributor side they'll start working their way to dealers. So they "should" be out before the end of the year given the current timeline.

The delays were due to product changes to update the design to the newest MA specs as of this year. Plus the ERGs took up a lot of production capacity as well as the plethora of other products Yih Kai produces over the course of the year as OEM for various companies. The changes to the MA GBBR are well worth it though. Aesthetically the gun looks different than what we showed at Shot Show. But definitely for the better. Pics will be shown soon I'm sure.

Awesome news. I'm going to hold off on getting my LM4 then! Thanks for the heads up.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 11:10 PM

Thanks for the update! Soo glad to hear they are finally rolling out. Any final decision on whether uppers will be available as spare parts? I'm excited to see some pics when you get a chance to take some.

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 02:38 AM

 uscmCorps, on 19 November 2013 - 08:32 PM, said:

The MA GBBRs are in production now. I'm personally working on the manual (actually rushing to finish it to get it ready for the printers). Once the guns are complete and processed through QC both in Taiwan and on the distributor side they'll start working their way to dealers. So they "should" be out before the end of the year given the current timeline.

The delays were due to product changes to update the design to the newest MA specs as of this year. Plus the ERGs took up a lot of production capacity as well as the plethora of other products Yih Kai produces over the course of the year as OEM for various companies. The changes to the MA GBBR are well worth it though. Aesthetically the gun looks different than what we showed at Shot Show. But definitely for the better. Pics will be shown soon I'm sure.

will the mags for the lm4 will fit the new ma gbbr??

Edited by mr.ying, 21 November 2013 - 02:39 AM.


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 02:58 AM

The PTS Mega Arms GBBR will accept both the LM4 STANAG and LM4 PMAG. I don't have a sample on hand but I'm waiting to hear about compatibility of the MA upper with previous generation LM4 lower receivers. The HK office are doing a photoshoot this weekend for the product so photos should be forthcoming.

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 08:09 AM

This is AWESOME. Any word on price though...? Also, will it have the same internals as the KWA model? Namely... if I wanted to swap my maple leaf hop, would I be able to do so?

Edited by Nitemare, 21 November 2013 - 08:11 AM.


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Posted 22 November 2013 - 08:44 AM

 uscmCorps, on 21 November 2013 - 02:58 AM, said:

The PTS Mega Arms GBBR will accept both the LM4 STANAG and LM4 PMAG. I don't have a sample on hand but I'm waiting to hear about compatibility of the MA upper with previous generation LM4 lower receivers. The HK office are doing a photoshoot this weekend for the product so photos should be forthcoming.

That would be really crappy if the upper will not be compatible with current LM4 lowers.  Sure way to kill the platform...

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 02:31 PM

Kill the platform? How?

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 03:00 PM

I don't have any further details at this time.

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 08:32 PM

Why would any of the parts aside from the receivers themselves, be different? I'm fairly confident that the internal parts are all cross compatible to avoid any confusion and to keep production costs to a minimum. The only difference between the PTR and the PTS is the lower receiver. I think all we're looking at here is a external difference in the receivers.

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 06:25 PM

@uscmCorps

Thanks so much for the update man!

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 08:20 AM

From the Shot Show interviews there are apparently some changes to the trigger mechanism, which hopefully would still be backward compatible with LM4 lower receivers.

If the MA upper receiver are really going to be one piece, I would expect changes to the charging handle, the barrel extension (hopefully a removable one), outer barrel (where it mates with the barrel extension), and maybe even the Hopup unit design.

But as always its all speculation until we have pictures of said parts and when they actually release the thing... :whistle:

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 08:57 PM

I suspect it will be a two piece upper. My assumption is that the barrel extension will be separate from the rest of the receiver. But I would guess that every other part will be the same. I think the only difference in the trigger mechanism will be the trigger itself. Unfortunately I don't see there being a redesign of the hop-up. KWA has yet to admit that the current hop-up design sucks. It's going to take a third party to produce a good hop-up. I've been working on it but I haven't really figured out a design I'm happy with.

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 10:13 AM

Latest info on the MA is that it will have a smaller diameter BCG in compliance with the ATF. At least the US version will have the alteration to current BCG design, and as such with regards to the BCG it will not be backward compatible with the LM4.

Do be sceptical as I cannot reveal the source but don't be surprised if this turns out to be true.

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 05:50 PM

I don't believe the BCG will be smaller in diameter than the USA LM4. The USA version has already been fully approved. Also, the current USA BCG is larger than Mil-Spec. Your source may have tried a USA bolt in an Asia MA upper?

Edit: The USA BCG and upper are shorter in length than Mil-Spec by request of the ATF. Maybe that's what he meant?

Edited by BeachEMT, 11 December 2013 - 05:53 PM.


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 09:58 AM

 Jeffsworkshop, on 11 December 2013 - 10:13 AM, said:

Latest info on the MA is that it will have a smaller diameter BCG in compliance with the ATF. At least the US version will have the alteration to current BCG design, and as such with regards to the BCG it will not be backward compatible with the LM4.

Do be sceptical as I cannot reveal the source but don't be surprised if this turns out to be true.

This makes no sense to me as it negatively effects the consumer while positively effecting the manufacturer!  This is crappy business practices if true.  It is analogous to the WE M4 having different, incompatible internals to the WE M16...

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 10:46 AM

Well let's be honest, bolt dimensions aren't really a big deal in the long run. The real tragedy in this story is that you're stuck with that rail for the rest of your life.......




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